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Ross Stores, Inc. (NASDAQ:ROST) Q4 2022 Earnings Conference Call February 28, 2023 4:15 AM ET

Company Participants

Barbara Rentler - Chief Executive Officer

Michael Hartshorn - Group President and Chief Operating Officer

Adam Orvos - Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Connie Kao - Group Vice President, Investor Relations

Conference Call Participants

Lorraine Hutchinson - Bank of America

Matthew Boss - JPMorgan

Mark Altschwager - Baird

Paul Lejuez - Citigroup

Michael Binetti - Credit Suisse

Alex Straton - Morgan Stanley

Jesse Sobelson - Wells Fargo

Adrienne Yih - Barclays

Chuck Grom - Gordon Haskett

Brooke Roach - Goldman Sachs

Dana Telsey - The Telsey Group

Simeon Siegel - BMO Capital Markets

Jay Sole - UBS

Laura Champine - Loop Capital

Aneesha Sherman - Bernstein

Corey Tarlowe - Jefferies

Operator

Good afternoon, and invited to nan Ross Stores Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2022 Earnings Release Conference Call. The telephone will statesman pinch prepared comments by guidance followed by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]

Before we get started, connected behalf of Ross Stores, I would for illustration to statement that nan comments made connected this telephone will incorporate forward-looking statements regarding expectations astir early maturation and financial results, including income and net forecasts, caller shop openings and different matters that are based connected nan company's existent forecast of aspects of its early business. These forward-looking statements are taxable to risks and uncertainties that could origin existent results to disagree materially from humanities capacity aliases existent expectations. Risk factors are included successful today's property merchandise and nan company's fiscal 2021 Form 10-K and fiscal 2022 Form 10-Qs and 8-Ks connected record pinch nan SEC.

And now, I'd for illustration to move nan telephone complete to Barbara Rentler, Chief Executive Officer.

Barbara Rentler

Joining maine connected our telephone coming are Michael Hartshorn, Group President and Chief Operating Officer; Adam Orvos, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Connie Kao, Group Vice President, Investor Relations.

We'll statesman our telephone coming pinch a reappraisal of our 4th fourth and 2022 performance, followed by our outlook for 2023. Afterwards, we'll beryllium happy to respond to immoderate questions you whitethorn have.

As noted successful today's property release, during a very competitory vacation season, our 4th fourth income and net results exceeded our guidance owed to customer’s affirmative consequence to our improved assortment and stronger worth offerings.

Earnings per stock for nan 4th fourth were $1.31 connected nett income of $447 million. These results comparison to net per stock of $1.04 connected nett net of $367 cardinal for nan 13 weeks ended January 29, 2022.

Sales for nan 4th fourth of 2022 were $5.2 cardinal pinch comparable shop income up 1% connected apical of a 9% summation for nan aforesaid play successful 2021. For nan 2022 fiscal year, net per stock were $4.38 connected nett income of $1.5 cardinal compared to $4.87 per stock connected nett net of $1.7 cardinal successful 2021.

Sales for 2022 were $18.7 billion, pinch comparable shop income down 4% versus a robust 13% summation successful nan anterior year. Fourth 4th operating separator was 10.7% compared to 9.8% successful 2021. This betterment was chiefly driven by little freight and inducement costs that were partially offset by unfavorable timing of packaway-related expenses.

Now, let's move to further specifications connected our 4th fourth results. For nan vacation trading season, shoes was nan best-performing merchandise area, while Florida was nan strongest region. Similar to Ross, dd’s DISCOUNTS income trends improved compared to nan anterior 4th but proceed to way Ross' results, chiefly owed to ongoing inflationary pressures that are continuing to person a larger effect connected dd's little income customers.

Inventory levels moderated importantly from nan first half of 2022 pinch consolidated inventories down 11% versus past year. Average shop inventories during nan 4th were down somewhat compared to 2021 vacation period, while packway merchandise represented 40% of full inventories akin to past year.

We besides believe, we are good positioned to return advantage of nan galore buying opportunities successful nan marketplace. As noted successful today's release, nan institution repurchased a full of 2.1 cardinal and 10.3 cardinal shares of communal stock, respectively, for an aggregate acquisition value of $231 cardinal successful nan 4th and $950 cardinal for nan fiscal year. These purchases were made pursuant to nan 2-year $1.9 cardinal programme announced successful March of 2022. We expect to complete nan $950 cardinal remaining nether this authorization successful fiscal 2023.

Our Board besides precocious accrued our quarterly rate dividend by 8% to $0.335 per stock to beryllium payable connected March 31, 2023 to stockholders of grounds arsenic of March 14, 2023. Our banal repurchase and accrued dividend programme reflects our continued committedness to enhancing stockholder worth and returns, arsenic good arsenic our assurance successful nan spot of our equilibrium expanse and projected early rate flows.

Now Adam will supply further specifications connected our 4th fourth results and further colour connected our outlook for fiscal 2023.

Adam Orvos

Thank you, Barbara. As antecedently mentioned, comparable shop income roseate 1% for nan 4th connected apical of a 9% summation successful nan anterior year. This flimsy summation was owed to maturation successful nan size of nan mean handbasket arsenic postulation was comparatively level compared to past year.

As Barbara discussed earlier, 4th fourth operating separator of 10.7% was up 90 ground points from 9.8% successful 2021. Cost of equipment sold grew 15 ground points versus past twelvemonth owed to a operation of factors.

Distribution expenses roseate 90 ground points chiefly owed to timing of packaway-related costs and deleverage from nan opening of our Houston distribution halfway earlier successful nan year, while home freight and occupancy delevered by 20 and 5 ground points, respectively. Partially offsetting these costs pinch higher merchandise margin, which grew by 15 ground points arsenic nan use from little water freight costs much than offset somewhat higher markdowns. Buying expenses besides improved by 85 ground points owed to little inducement compensation. SG&A for nan play levered by 105 ground points again, chiefly owed to little inducement expense.

Now let's talk our outlook for fiscal 2023. As Barbara noted successful our property release, nan macroeconomic and geopolitical environments stay highly uncertain. As a result, we judge it is prudent to stay blimpish erstwhile readying our business.

While we dream to do amended for nan 52 weeks ending January 27, 2024, we are readying comparable shop income to beryllium comparatively flat. If income execute successful statement pinch this plan, we expect net per stock for 2023 to beryllium successful nan scope of $4.65 to $4.95 compared to $4.38 successful fiscal 2022. It is important to statement that fiscal 2023 is simply a 53 week year. Incorporated successful this guidance scope is an estimated use to net per stock of astir $0.15 from nan other week.

Our guidance assumptions for nan 2023 twelvemonth see nan following, full income are planned to turn by 2% to 5% for nan 53 weeks ending February 3rd, 2024. Comparable shop income for nan 52 weeks ending January 27, 2024 are planned to beryllium comparatively flat.

Based connected these income plans, operating separator for nan afloat twelvemonth is expected to beryllium successful nan scope of 10.3% to 10.7%. This reflects nan resetting of nan baseline for inducement compensation, higher wages, nan deleveraging effect connected flattish same-store income and little freight costs. Also incorporated successful this operating separator guidance is an estimated use of astir 20 ground points from nan 53rd week.

For 2023, we expect to unfastened astir 100 caller locations comprised of astir 75 Ross and 25 dd's DISCOUNTS. As usual, these openings do not see our plans to adjacent aliases relocate astir 10 older stores.

Net liking income is estimated to beryllium $115 million. Depreciation amortization disbursal inclusive of stock-based amortization is forecast to beryllium astir $570 cardinal for nan year. The taxation complaint is projected to beryllium astir 24% to 25% and diluted shares outstanding are expected to beryllium astir $339 million.

In addition, superior expenditures for 2023 are planned to beryllium astir $810 cardinal arsenic we make further investments successful our stores, proviso concatenation and merchant processes to support our semipermanent maturation and to summation efficiencies passim nan business.

Let's move now to our guidance for nan first quarter. Elevated ostentation continues to effect our debased to mean income customer. As such, we are besides readying comparable shop income to beryllium comparatively level for nan 13 weeks ending April 29, 2023.

This compares to a 7% alteration and a 13% summation successful nan first quarters of 2022 and 2021, respectively. If income execute successful statement pinch this plan, we expect net per stock for nan first 4th of 2023 to beryllium $0.99 to $1.05 versus $0.97 past year.

The operating connection assumptions that support our first 4th guidance see nan following. Total income are planned to beryllium up 1% to 4% versus past year's first quarter. We would past expect first 4th operating separator to beryllium 9.6% to 9.9% compared to 10.8% past year. The expected diminution reflects nan deleveraging effect of same-store income execute successful statement pinch our plan, unfavorable timing of packaway-related costs and higher wages. Further, merchandise separator is forecast to use from little freight costs.

We scheme to adhd 19 caller stores consisting of 11 Ross and 8 dd's DISCOUNTS during nan period. Net liking income is estimated to beryllium $28 million. Our taxation complaint is expected to beryllium astir 24% to 25% and diluted shares are forecast to beryllium astir $341 million.

Now, I will move nan telephone backmost to Barbara Rentler for closing comments.

Barbara Rentler

Thank you, Adam. To sum up, complete nan past 3 years, we person faced a wide scope of unprecedented challenges from nan COVID pandemic, proviso concatenation disruptions arsenic good arsenic ongoing inflationary headwinds. These factors person not only negatively impacted our ain business, but besides our customer’s family budgets, their discretionary income and their shopping behaviors. As a result, our shoppers coming are seeking moreover stronger values erstwhile visiting our stores.

In response, our merchants are fine-tuning our assortments pinch an accrued attraction connected delivering nan astir competitory bargains available, while continuing to set our merchandise operation based connected our customers evolving preferences.

Looking ahead, we person importantly accrued our attraction connected strictly controlling inventory and operating expenses passim nan company. We powerfully judge that these measures will alteration america to maximize our imaginable for some income and profit maturation successful 2023 and beyond.

At this point, we'd for illustration to unfastened up nan telephone and respond to immoderate questions you whitethorn have.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. We will now beryllium conducting a question-and-answer convention [Operator Instructions] And our first mobility comes from nan statement of Lorraine Hutchinson pinch Bank of America. Please proceed pinch your question.

Lorraine Hutchinson

Thank you. Good afternoon. I wanted to inquire astir freight, some of nan components wrong gross margin. How overmuch betterment do you person baked into your guidance for this twelvemonth versus pre-COVID levels? And past really overmuch opportunity remains for nan adjacent twelvemonth and nan twelvemonth after?

Adam Orvos

Yes. So Lorraine, this is Adam. Thanks for nan question. Related to merchandise margin, Q1 and fiscal 2023 will intelligibly use from little water freight costs arsenic we day nan importantly higher costs from past year. While these costs will drop, they will apt still beryllium higher than pre-pandemic levels successful nan short-term.

But connected nan water side, they've intelligibly dropped dramatically and we'll harvest a important information of nan summation we've faced complete nan past 3 years. On nan home side, because of wages - elevated wages and still higher substance costs than pre-pandemic, we'll harvest backmost immoderate of nan home freight, but not arsenic tangible successful 2023 arsenic it will beryllium connected nan water side.

Lorraine Hutchinson

Based connected opportunity will stay for fiscal 2024?

Adam Orvos

Probably not prudent to spell that acold ahead. But it intelligibly will beryllium a tailwind connected some sides for america successful 2023. And depending connected really overmuch they move successful 2023. That I'll benignant of spot what's near for 2024.

Lorraine Hutchinson

Thank you.

Operator

And nan adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Matthew Boss pinch JPMorgan. Please proceed pinch your question.

Matthew Boss

Great. Thanks. And congrats connected a bully quarter. So Barbara, connected 4th fourth same-store income inflecting backmost to affirmative territory, possibly tin you conscionable speak to nan cadence of postulation that you saw during nan quarter? And past connected nan outlook for level comps successful some 1Q and for nan twelvemonth comparative to historically a 1% to 2% starting plan. Have you seen a worldly alteration successful customer behaviour station holiday? Or is this much conscionable taking a prudent stance fixed nan volatility that you cited?

Michael Hartshorn

Matthew, hi. It's Michael Hartshorn. On nan guidance for nan first quarter, arsenic we said successful our commentary, pinch nan lasting ostentation and highly uncertain macro system up of us, we firmly judge it's prudent to beryllium blimpish successful readying nan business.

Internally, this puts america successful a pursuit mode to commencement nan year, some from an inventory open-to-buy position and successful managing nan underlying costs successful nan business. It's a playbook that we're acquainted with. We cognize good and judge it will let america to, arsenic we said successful nan commentary, maximize some nan apical statement and nan bottommost statement successful an uncertain environment, and we'll person to spot really it plays retired for nan year.

In position of postulation data, arsenic we said successful nan commentary, postulation was comparatively level successful nan quarter, and that was comparatively accordant crossed nan 4th quarter.

Matthew Boss

Great. And past possibly conscionable a follow-up connected gross margin. So if we exclude nan freight recovery, really are you reasoning astir underlying merchandise margins wrong this year’s [ph] guide, meaning is location immoderate effect we request to deliberation astir pinch immoderate of nan changes successful operation that you cited? Maybe really champion to deliberation astir price.

I mean, what I'm really trying to get astatine is beyond this year, do you deliberation there's immoderate structural underlying alteration to double-digit net maturation successful this exemplary if we tin get backmost to that 3% to 4% comp algorithm?

Michael Hartshorn

Let maine talk a small spot astir nan semipermanent operating model. We certainly, pinch water freights coming down, we'd expect to spot a large use this year. Longer term, nan separator improvements will beryllium highly limited connected sustained beardown income growth, but also, arsenic we mentioned, to a ample extent, nan persistence and nan inflationary costs successful nan business.

We, again, expect to spot water freight costs preceding this year, but they still stay supra pre-pandemic levels and a number of proscription lanes. So that could beryllium a use beyond 2023. We besides expect to spot little home freight rates this year, and that's embedded successful our guidance. But we spot these pressures easing complete a longer sky and is somewhat limited connected substance costs.

Wage costs person risen, but are increasing astatine a slower gait than they did during nan pandemic. We expect from a costs position that it will beryllium an ongoing pressure, but we are uncovering ways to beryllium much businesslike successful nan business that's offsetting immoderate of those costs. So each of those taken together, we judge we tin turn our EBIT margins and profitability complete time, but it will beryllium very important to thrust apical statement income maturation successful that equation.

Operator

And nan adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Mark Altschwager pinch Baird. Please proceed pinch your question.

Mark Altschwager

Great. Thanks for taking my question. In position of nan competitory backdrop, immoderate of nan bigger wide merchandise retailers look leaner connected inventory, particularly apparel and discretionary categories heading into nan spring.

Just funny really that's incorporating into your reasoning connected comps and imaginable for immoderate recapture of marketplace stock cycling past year? Thank you.

Barbara Rentler

Sure. I deliberation - past pulling backmost connected wide merchandise perchance gives consciousness - gives america an opportunity to turn those businesses since they are specified a large portion of our business. But I really deliberation regaining, capturing marketplace share, nevertheless we want to opportunity that, it really depends connected driving sales, and we deliberation that nan champion measurement to thrust income is for america to proceed to attraction connected worth for our customer. I mean that's really what helped america execute successful nan 4th fourth is really making judge that we're delivering nan champion branded bargains imaginable passim nan full store.

And that really is our focus. That compounded pinch nan truth that there's a batch of merchandise successful nan marketplace, which will alteration america to do that. I deliberation that's really what will thief america summation backmost that marketplace share, whether it's coming from a large container aliases it's coming from different parts of retail, section stores, immoderate it is. I deliberation that's really nan cardinal for our occurrence go-forward to thrust apical statement sales.

Operator

Thank you. And arsenic a reminder, please limit yourself to 1 question. Thank you. Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Paul Lejuez pinch Citigroup. Please proceed pinch your question.

Paul Lejuez

Hey. Thanks, guys. Are you seeing immoderate signs of a trade-down customers showing up successful your stores? I cognize you said, transactions postulation was flat, but funny if nan customer guidelines is changing astatine all, aliases possibly you're seeing immoderate higher income folks show up, possibly immoderate of nan little income folks shop less. I'm besides funny really you're reasoning astir nan drivers of comp successful F 2023 from a postulation versus summons perspective? Thanks.

Michael Hartshorn

Paul, connected nan trade-down customer, location isn't what we spot successful our data, a worldly displacement successful spending trends crossed nan different income demographics. So astatine this point, for us, we don't spot immoderate grounds that nan waste and acquisition down - that location is nan waste and acquisition down customer it's impacting our business.

On really we're reasoning astir nan business going forward? We don't typically scheme nan business based connected nan components of nan transaction. As Barbara said, our attraction is connected value, successful off-price worth will lead to amended traffic. It will lead to a higher handbasket if you connection awesome deals to nan customer, and that's really we're reasoning astir nan business going forward.

Paul Lejuez

Got it. And tin you conscionable stock what your location versus apparel comps were successful 4Q? Also funny astir California, Florida, Texas performance?

Barbara Rentler

Sure. The location income were somewhat supra nan concatenation average. And past overall, apparel, non-apparel capacity was comparatively similar. And nan point that portion of what's really drove location is, that location has nan highest penetration of gifting and that portion of our business performed well.

Michael Hartshorn

And Paul, connected nan surface science side, Florida, arsenic we mentioned, it was nan strongest market. Regarding our different ample markets, California performed somewhat supra nan concatenation mean and Texas tracked successful statement pinch nan alteration average. With each that said, we did not spot a batch of deviation successful nan numbers by geographic area.

Paul Lejuez

Got it. Thank you. Good luck.

Michael Hartshorn

Thanks.

Operator

And nan adjacent mobility is from nan statement of Michael Binetti pinch Credit Suisse. Please proceed pinch your question.

Michael Binetti

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking our questions here. Could you unpack really you're reasoning astir nan merch margin, excluding nan freight present for nan year, I guess, nan merchandise margin. Just trying to deliberation -- conscionable trying to wed up what you guys are seeing connected inventory buys and really pricing tin lead america to nan merchandise separator this year?

And then, I guess, beautiful elemental one, Michael, erstwhile you guys deliberation astir nan puts and takes connected - aliases Michael aliases Adam, I should say, puts and takes connected nan margins and nan buckets that you pointed to resetting nan inducement comp, nan higher wages, nan level same-store income effect and nan little freight costs [Technical Difficulty]

Can you speak to really nan upside would travel done connected a constituent of comp this year? I cognize you ever springiness america immoderate - nan model of astir 15 ground points, I think, from memory, what's amended successful nan creation of nan exemplary this year? What's worse than normal connected a constituent of upside successful nan comp?

Michael Hartshorn

Michael, you sewage it precisely right. One constituent of comp is astir 10 to 15 ground points of EBIT separator description . So that hasn't changed.

Adam Orvos

And Michael, I'll jump in. So for illustration connected operating margin, nan moving parts successful 2023. So first of all, we're readying nan level comp, which will origin immoderate magnitude of deleverage. As you mentioned, we person to reset our inducement costs astatine target levels. So 2022 was intelligibly an underperforming twelvemonth for us, and that was connected apical of a 2021 wherever we importantly over-performed our plan. So for 2023, we will reset that baseline astatine target levels.

Michael mentioned earlier, we've seen costs increases, some successful our stores and our distribution centers. And while that's easing, we've not been capable to afloat mitigate those increases wrong nan stores by driving different efficiencies. And then, my earlier comments connected freight, we expect bully news connected some sides but much melodramatic betterment connected nan water side.

Barbara Rentler

And then, successful position of buying, Michael, I cognize you cognize there's a batch of merchandise retired successful nan marketplace. But nan measurement we're measurement we're looking astatine that now is we are really highly focused connected worth and giving our customers nan champion worth possible. And truthful that very overmuch depends connected our operation connected nan buys, what we're doing and really driving broad-based crossed nan company.

I can't stress this enough, nan champion worth imaginable that we can. Because that really - our customer is nether specified inflationary pressures that it decidedly is impacting our, walk and truthful her discretionary spend. And truthful that's really really we're reasoning astir that, making judge that our values are correct, and that we person a good, better, champion strategy and that she really feels awesome astir what she buys and that it's compelling to travel to nan store.

And truthful those AUR since it would return america down nan way of AUR is not a nonstop opening value constituent strategy. It really is good, better, champion strategy, based connected brands that we person retired location truthful that she tin really get nan worth that she's travel to expect from us.

Michael Binetti

Barb, could I pursuit that pinch a mobility on, really you deliberation astir what are nan biggest opportunities that you spot to spell aft immoderate marketplace stock this twelvemonth to thief - if location is an opportunity to thrust comp supra flat, possibly it's from nan expertise to compete better, thing that stands retired to you early successful nan year?

Barbara Rentler

I deliberation - well, I deliberation there's, a fewer things. Just internally, we had our ain soul issues, obviously, past twelvemonth wrong our assortments. So correcting those issues correct now is important to us, conscionable from a equilibrium and operation position based disconnected of nan bearer issues and nan things that went incorrect past year. I deliberation that's astir apt first and foremost, getting that corrected. And then, really, rightsizing again, our values that we're offering nan customer and knowing what our pricing strategy really is successful hitting each 3 customers.

Then extracurricular of that is, if we execute better, history would show america and we chase, which is what we do best, successful a clip wherever there's a batch of merchandise successful nan market, which location is, we should beryllium capable to thrust income and return marketplace share. And that marketplace share, arsenic you know, tin travel from immoderate bucket of merchandising now since everyone is whether its large boxes aliases everyone is successful nan crippled now.

So I deliberation that's benignant of nan look for america to correct our issues from past twelvemonth to get our worth consecutive and truthful that nan customer really is getting a awesome woody maximizing those closeouts, successful nan market. And listen, remember, we person a very ample merchant team. We person 900 merchants and truthful - and beardown relationships successful nan market.

So now is nan clip for america to maximize connected that and to really springiness nan customer what she's travel to expect from america and to get ourselves set. And if we do those things, past I deliberation we'll get ourselves connected nan way we want to beryllium connected and proceed to turn and summation marketplace share.

Michael Binetti

Thanks, Barbara. I admit it.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Alex Straton pinch Morgan Stanley. Please proceed pinch your question.

Alex Straton

Great. Thanks truthful overmuch for taking my mobility here. It sounds for illustration income betterment is cardinal to returning to pre-COVID separator and nan net algorithm. But are you exploring ways to benignant of offset that while apical statement maturation is underperforming that emblematic algorithm?

Maybe put differently, what circumstantial levers do you person successful COGS aliases SG&A to offset immoderate of nan freight and costs headwinds you are seeing this year? I cognize you mentioned immoderate efficiencies, but immoderate examples location - levers broadly would beryllium adjuvant to hear. Thank you.

Michael Hartshorn

Sure. You'll spot successful our superior walk this year, we person astir $810 cardinal included successful that and 1 of nan biggest increases location are exertion investments that we're making. And immoderate examples of that would beryllium automation successful our distribution centers. It would beryllium looking astatine shop level activities and providing exertion to make those much businesslike successful each of our stores, for instance, really our associates people down goods, really they person successful nan backmost room and making judge we tin proceed to person associates focusing connected customer facing activities. So those are a fewer of those examples.

And we person - arsenic we person complete nan years, person a roadworthy representation of efficiencies that will proceed to activity connected arsenic an statement and thrust into nan P&L.

Operator

And nan adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Ike Boruchow pinch Wells Fargo. Please proceed pinch your question.

Jesse Sobelson

Hi, everyone. This is Jesse Sobelson connected for Ike. I judge astatine nan opening of past year's first quarter, nan buying situation was conscionable opening to move into a tailwind for you guys. So really does nan situation look coming versus this clip past twelvemonth and past versus possibly 6 months ago?

Barbara Rentler

Sure. The buying situation correct now is very good. I mean there's a batch of merchandise. It's very broad-based. It's crossed each different classifications and types of products. So nan buying situation is astir apt arsenic bully arsenic it gets correct now.

I would opportunity that, that situation has been there, though for nan past fewer months and started astatine nan opening of past year, conscionable timed possibly otherwise depending upon what type of merchandise it was and erstwhile it came in, each going backmost to nan bearer issue, right? So everyone was benignant of - vendors were benignant of precocious and receiving their goods, because group couldn't really power nan measurement nan freight came in.

So it's been present for a while. I would deliberation astatine this constituent successful time, a batch of stores person promoting to get their inventories successful statement in-store, but nan vendor organization still has a batch of merchandise that they'd for illustration to move done and return them guardant to newness to nan adjacent year.

So I deliberation it's I deliberation it's very bully now. I deliberation it's been good, and I deliberation it will beryllium bully for a while arsenic nan vendors are trying to activity done that and understand what that looks like. And past understand what benignant of inventory position they want to return spell guardant arsenic opposed to having a consequence coming from nan bearer issues that everybody benignant of felt astatine nan aforesaid time, so.

Jesse Sobelson

Thank you.

Operator

And nan adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Adrienne Yih pinch Barclays. Please proceed pinch your question.

Adrienne Yih

Great. Thank you very much. First, conscionable a housekeeping. Is it adjacent to usage $200 cardinal to $250 cardinal successful income for that 53rd week? And past Barbara, I think, possibly a business [ph] for you. What is nan rumor pinch benignant of nan packaway timing? And I cognize packaway ended up astatine 40% but that's still beneath benignant of tally complaint norm.

And I'm conscionable reasoning if nan situation is ace conducive, would you not want to benignant of person that short enactment because, I cognize you guys do it much connected a 4 period aliases little aliases immoderate shorter duration.

And past past 1 is for nan shrink. I deliberation you do it erstwhile a year, but what shrink arsenic a percent of income successful a normal backdrop, wherever is it today? Thank you truthful much, sorry to interrupt.

Barbara Rentler

Okay. No problem. So nan packaway is 40% are each deals that we consciousness very, very bully about. And you person to retrieve that successful nan opening of past year, and you'll spot this arsenic we spell along, we had each those precocious equipment that were location equipment that we took into our DCs, which would person accrued portion of our packaway. The 40% that we person successful location correct now, we consciousness very bully about.

And buying packway is an art, you tin bargain a batch of packway clip you want, right? But nan packaway you put successful there, you person to consciousness it's awesome merchandise astatine awesome values. And correct now pinch nan buying situation being very favorable, pinch really rather frankly, wide entree to immoderate really cardinal brands, you're going to beryllium very judicious astir what you put successful packaway and really you clip that and what that looks like.

So I'd opportunity we consciousness bully astir nan position we're successful today. We person a tremendous magnitude of liquidity and we really consciousness for illustration we're successful a bully place.

Adrienne Yih

Very helpful...

Michael Hartshorn

Adrienne, connected shrink. So our strength, we don't disclose what it is externally, but it is simply a spot wherever we perpetually invest, whether its information tags aliases nary instrumentality successful nan stores. If you've been successful our stores, you spot we person group successful beforehand of nan shop and our shrink was somewhat higher this twelvemonth arsenic we closed retired nan year.

Barbara Rentler

Yeah, spell ahead.

Adam Orvos

Well, I was conscionable going to jump successful connected nan 53rd week. So a small spot higher than what you said. You tin deliberation astir it arsenic an further week, somewhat pro rata, but past downward calibrated a small spot that it's, telephone it, successful January, February, week and lighter than an mean week.

Adrienne Yih

Perfect. Thank you very overmuch and champion of luck.

Barbara Rentler

Thank you.

Adam Orvos

Thank you.

Operator

And nan adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Chuck Grom pinch Gordon Haskett. Please proceed pinch your question.

Chuck Grom

Hey, acknowledgment very much. Curious if stores successful higher demographic markets performed amended successful stores and little income demographic markets. And a 2nd follow-up, there's a batch of talk astir Snapcuts [ph] adjacent period and little taxation refunds this twelvemonth versus last. Curious really overmuch of a imaginable headwind that could beryllium for you guys complete nan adjacent mates of months?

Michael Hartshorn

Yeah, we'll person to see. On nan taxation refunds, they conscionable started to travel retired past week, and that does person an impact, particularly for our dd's business, but we'll person to spot really that plays out. We surely - wherever we're coming into it, nan taxation refunds could beryllium lower. So we'll person to spot really it plays out. But certainly, that is simply a customer that tin beryllium impacted by some nan taxation refunds and nan threat benefits.

On your different question, I deliberation you asked a mobility astir demographics. And I deliberation I answered this earlier pinch Paul, we person not seen a worldly displacement successful spending crossed different income demographics.

Operator

And nan adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Brooke Roach pinch Goldman Sachs. Please proceed pinch your question.

Brooke Roach

Barbara, it sounds for illustration you proceed to spot opportunities to right-size nan worth that you connection nan user to spell aft that marketplace stock that's disposable to you and that you're still looking to optimize that value.

Can you talk a small spot much astir nan actions that your buying squad tin return to guarantee that you're offering that value? And tin you contextualize that pinch nan higher complaint of markdowns that you besides saw successful nan quarter? Thank you.

Barbara Rentler

Sure. Well, obviously, erstwhile there's a batch of merchandise successful nan marketplace, nan buyers are retired looking for really awesome deals. So it starts pinch being successful nan market, having bully relationships and really getting nan deals astatine nan prices that nan customer wants and past offering that worth to nan customer. So I deliberation that's captious for what's going connected successful nan world today. It's ever been captious for america delivering branded bargains. And I deliberation coming it's moreover much important than it's been before.

In position of conscionable right-sizing nan worth conscionable arsenic a conception of right-sizing nan value, I deliberation that's really - from putting things retired location and watching things turn, watching things you know, watching nan customer ballot and past making nan adjustments based disconnected of what she's telling us, whether it's successful nan assortment and nan products that you want aliases whether it's successful nan unit that we put it in. And Brook, what was nan 2nd question?

Brooke Roach

The 2nd mobility was conscionable really to deliberation astir nan clip statement of getting that from nan markdown perspective. It sounds for illustration making those adjustments does require immoderate markdown. And truthful does nan markdown person to summation year-on-year arsenic you move done 2023?

Barbara Rentler

We took - okay, I understood. So we took somewhat slightly higher markdowns successful nan 4th quarter. And we made judge that erstwhile we came retired of nan 4th fourth that we really came retired of everything cleanable that we took everything. And if nan worth wasn't right, we didn't wait, we took markdowns, they were somewhat higher, they weren't that overmuch higher. They were somewhat higher.

And truthful if you're right-sizing your values going forward, you wouldn't expect to beryllium taking further markdowns. The cardinal is to thrust receipts, which drives sales. So if we person nan correct values and return speedy enough, we'll thrust our seats, which will thrust sales, which will put america successful a patient position.

Brooke Roach

Thank you.

Operator

And our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Dana Telsey pinch The Telsey Group. Please proceed pinch your question.

Dana Telsey

Good afternoon, everyone. As you deliberation astir nan existent property portfolio successful nan stores, we evidently person heard astir immoderate of nan abstraction availabilities from nan Bed Bath aliases a Party City. Is this an opportunity for you? And does it each alteration nan cadence of shop openings aliases nan locations aliases regions for either 2023 aliases 2024 successful your outlook? Thank you.

Michael Hartshorn

Hi, Dana. Certainly, Bed Bath & Beyond and Party City, for illustration they person been historically, immoderate clip there's unit bankruptcies that's provided america opportunities for caller shop locations. I would opportunity astatine this point, it hasn't changed our outlook. We will reappraisal imaginable caller tract connected a store-by-store basis. And if it's due for Ross and dd's location, we tin surely adhd it to our portfolio. But arsenic we deliberation astir 2023, arsenic we said successful nan commentary, we deliberation it's astir 100 caller locations, astir 75 Ross and 25 dd's.

Dana Telsey

Got it. And then, Barbara, conscionable connected nan class mix. What was nan weakest? And what do you spot arsenic opportunities connected nan class broadside arsenic we spell done 2023? Thank you.

Barbara Rentler

The business beautiful overmuch performed astatine nan aforesaid level. I mean, obviously, immoderate things are better. I mean location and gifting pinch very bully shoes was very good. If I look astatine shoes from a 2-year basis, nan twelvemonth earlier we had bearer issues, which besides helped america to thrust immoderate income this year. I deliberation nan cardinal is to get nan class operation equilibrium to what nan customer wants. And I deliberation past twelvemonth pinch nan bearer issues and pinch immoderate of nan things that went connected successful our assortments, that we didn't person that.

So I deliberation now it's really identifying what she wants, making those move to guarantee that we are delivering nan products that she's moving towards arsenic things proceed to germinate successful her assortment and conscionable being connected target pinch that, making judge we're making moves speedy enough, accelerated capable and nan advantage erstwhile there's a batch of equipment successful nan marketplace, it allows you to do much of these things and oftentimes, sometimes beryllium capable to make immoderate bolder moves.

So I deliberation that's benignant of really I'm reasoning astir it. I'm reasoning astir conscionable getting our inventories and classifications successful statement and past much fine-tuning to what - if we were talking astir this a fewer months ago, we would beryllium saying group now want profession [ph] pants versus casual, right? But I'm reasoning much broader that pinch each nan carriers that went on, transportation issues and everything else, that things were not precisely nan measurement we would for illustration them to person been moreover if we wanted them to beryllium there. It conscionable - it wasn't balanced.

So I deliberation that's our number 1 point is getting ourselves backmost successful line. We made a batch of those moves into nan 4th fourth and getting ourselves repositioned to wherever we want to be. And past going again hand-in-hand pinch making judge we travel successful cleanable into nan twelvemonth cleanable from an inventory position and past giving ourselves nan elasticity to spell successful nan marketplace and bargain it nan measurement nan customer wants it and sees it.

Dana Telsey

Thank you.

Operator

And our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Simeon Siegel pinch BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed pinch your question.

Simeon Siegel

Thanks. Hi. Good afternoon. Could you talk what like-for-like AUR look for illustration versus operation displacement driven AUR maybe? And past a dumb question. I deliberation liking income came successful nicely higher this quarter. And if I heard correctly, I deliberation you're expecting a beautiful bully jump aliases a bully number this twelvemonth arsenic well.

Is that conscionable a usability of higher rates? And does it effect your superior return strategy? And possibly conscionable fixed really ample nan rate equilibrium is, immoderate broader thoughts connected your usage of rate pinch each nan moving pieces? Thank you.

Michael Hartshorn

Sure. The liking income is wholly driven by our rate balances. That's invested successful government-backed securities. So arsenic liking rates person risen, we're getting a use there. In position of really we're reasoning astir usage of rate and I conjecture conscionable wide superior allocation, we will, arsenic we ever do, first put successful nan business to support profitable growth.

We besides scheme to salary down COVID-related indebtedness that originates to mature complete nan adjacent fewer years successful 2024 and 2025 is erstwhile those first tranches mature. And past we'd expect to turn our shareholder payouts arsenic nan business grows, arsenic I said, deliberately complete time, and we do that successful a very deliberate and reliable mode complete time.

Barbara Rentler

And past successful position of our AUR, our AUR has been comparatively level contempt each nan different shifts and moving parts successful nan business. So immoderate of that comes from valuing immoderate areas otherwise aliases products otherwise successful different businesses coming up because obviously, shoes has a higher AUR than immoderate of our different businesses. So that's really wherever we guidelines today, really we're reasoning astir it.

Simeon Siegel

Great. Thanks a lot. Best luck for nan year.

Barbara Rentler

Thank you.

Operator

And our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Jay Sole pinch UBS. Please proceed pinch your question.

Jay Sole

Great. Thank you truthful much. I'm wondering if you tin elaborate a small spot connected immoderate of nan higher wages that you mentioned arsenic a driver of nan EBIT separator successful nan first 4th this year. Can you conscionable talk astir nan effect connected what you're seeing astatine nan shop level versus like, say, a warehousing level versus astatine a firm level, that would beryllium helpful? Thank you.

Michael Hartshorn

Sure. I mean it's been a competitory marketplace crossed each 3 of those for immoderate time. What we saw during COVID is nan biggest unit we had was successful nan distribution halfway statement point and that we've seen nan unit location slow down considerably. And for nan stores, we proceed to return a market-by-market attack to staffing them and expanding wages wherever appropriate.

In addition, arsenic you know, there's increasing statutory minimum wages for america successful almost half of our shop base, and that includes some authorities wide and section municipality minimum wages. But overall, it's really driven astatine this constituent by those minimum costs increases. I would opportunity we consciousness bully astir nan workforce successful totality and are assured astir what we person successful spot for nan year.

Jay Sole

Okay. Thank you truthful much.

Operator

And our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Laura Champine pinch Loop Capital. Please proceed pinch your question.

Laura Champine

Crossing my fingers, you'll reply this one, but are you presently trending successful statement pinch your first 4th guide?

Michael Hartshorn

We wouldn't, our practices, Laura, to not remark connected inter-quarter trends.

Laura Champine

Understood. Is nan guidance for nan afloat twelvemonth comp to beryllium flat, would that presume that postulation is astir level this year?

Michael Hartshorn

We - again, we don't scheme nan business astir postulation aliases transaction. Our position has ever been if we supply nan awesome branded bargains to nan customer, that will beryllium a operation of, one, bringing much customers to nan shop and two, erstwhile they're successful nan store, expanding nan size of nan mean basket.

What's happened complete nan past respective years is that handbasket has grown and moreover into past year, connected apical of nan stimulus twelvemonth nan customer is buying much erstwhile they're coming to nan store.

Laura Champine

Let maine spot if I tin get this one. The gross margin, and this is past - nan gross separator commentary that you've made, is that accordant pinch taking much markdowns this twelvemonth for nan twelvemonth arsenic a full compared to past year?

Michael Hartshorn

Laura, we don't guideline really astatine that constituent level of merchandise margin, but obviously, our markdown levels will beryllium highly limited connected if we present our income scheme and by [ph] nan correct goods. The biggest moving portion arsenic we said, successful merchandise separator will beryllium nan water freight costs reductions that we're seeing successful nan marketplace.

Laura Champine

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

And our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Aneesha Sherman pinch Bernstein. Please proceed pinch your question.

Aneesha Sherman

Thank you. So nan comp guidance for nan afloat twelvemonth implies a 4-year stack of 10 a CAGR of conscionable complete 2, which is rather a spot little than your humanities pre-COVID performance. Are you still - do you still judge successful nan mean term, algo being benignant of a small spot higher than that astir nan 3% comp algo? Or is location thing structural astir nan comps that you deliberation will decelerate moreover beyond this year?

And then, Michael, you talked astir nan sensitivity of margins to comp, but pinch higher wages now embedded into your costs structure, has that sensitivity changed? Or is it still a akin sensitivity arsenic what you've talked astir successful nan past?

Michael Hartshorn

Hi, Aneesha. On nan guidance, it's difficult to remark connected structural successful this environment. As we guideline nan year, it's really a usability of america wanting to beryllium very blimpish successful a blasting inflationary situation and a macro system that we'll spot really that plays retired later successful nan year.

So I don't deliberation there's thing to publication into that astatine this point. Obviously, we dream to hit nan guidance. We deliberation it's a bully measurement to tally our business successful an uncertain environment.

In position of nan semipermanent algorithm, it surely doesn't alteration arsenic I said earlier, that a hit to comp is 10 to 15 ground points upside. And past longer term, we deliberation if we tin turn nan 3% to 4% comp arsenic we did historically anterior to COVID that we'll beryllium capable to leverage nan P&L.

Aneesha Sherman

Okay. That’s helpful. Thank you.

Operator

And our last mobility comes from nan statement of Corey Tarlowe pinch Jefferies. Please proceed pinch your question.

Corey Tarlowe

Hi. Good day and acknowledgment for taking nan question. You mentioned that shoes had done beautiful good a fewer times. Is location immoderate measurement to parse retired possibly whether it was informal aliases casual, what did better? And then, I cognize readiness is rather robust, but crossed your good, better, champion strategy, is location immoderate peculiar conception wrong those 3 that's possibly you're seeing a small spot amended availability.

And past conscionable lastly, connected CapEx. Historically, you're usually around, I think, for illustration $500 cardinal aliases truthful successful CapEx. And now I deliberation successful this year, you're expecting to do $800 cardinal and successful this coming twelvemonth arsenic well, different $800 million.

So could you conscionable parse retired possibly what nan incremental walk is really going to be? I cognize you talked a small spot astir automation, but conscionable funny what other location is successful there? Thank you.

Barbara Rentler

So fto maine commencement pinch shoes. So nan footwear business is beautiful wide based. I would opportunity that diversion performed somewhat amended than Bram [ph] shoes, but nan footwear business, again, insubstantial manufacture had issues delivering. You retrieve that successful 2021 pinch nan full bearer issue. So it is beautiful broad-based and gathering customers’ demands that they want not conscionable athletic, but different brands take to wear. That's nan first thing.

In position of a good, better, best, nan readiness is beautiful broad-based successful each 3 buckets. So I deliberation that's a small unusual, but that's benignant of going connected retired location astatine this moment.

Adam Orvos

And Corey, connected CapEx. So our $810 cardinal will astir beryllium 40% caller successful existing stores, 40% distribution centers and astir 20% exertion and different investments. And I would opportunity pinch our caller shop opening scheme of 100 caller stores, those levels are accordant pinch pre-pandemic levels.

From a operation standpoint, nan distribution line, astir apt a small spot inflated arsenic we ramp up capacity to support our semipermanent maturation and past nan exertion broadside is simply a ramp-up arsenic we're making investments not only from a customer convenience standpoint successful nan stores, but besides building capabilities and further devices successful nan merchandising organization.

Corey Tarlowe

Great. Thank you very much. Best of luck.

Adam Orvos

Thank you.

Operator

And astatine this time, we person reached nan extremity of nan question-and-answer session. And now I would for illustration to move nan telephone backmost complete to Barbara Rentler for closing remarks.

Barbara Rentler

Thanks joining america coming for your liking successful Ross Stores.

Operator

That concludes our conference. You whitethorn disconnect your lines astatine this time. Thank you for your participation, and person a awesome day.

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