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Four Corners Property Trust, Inc. (NYSE:PEG) Q4 2022 Earnings Conference Call February 21, 2023 11:00 AM ET

Company Participants

Carlotta Chan - Vice President Investor Relations

Ralph LaRossa - Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Dan Cregg - Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Conference Call Participants

David Arcaro - Morgan Stanley

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - Bank of America

Durgesh Chopra - Evercore ISI

Travis Miller - Morningstar

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Michael Sullivan - Wolfe Research

Anthony Crowdell - Mizuho

Paul Fremont - Lautenberg Dauman

Sophie Karp - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, convey you for opinionated by. My sanction is Shamali and I americium your arena usability today. I would for illustration to invited everyone to today's conference, Public Service Enterprise Group's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, each participants are successful a listen-only mode [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this convention is being recorded today, February 21, 2023, and will beryllium disposable for replay arsenic an audio webcast connected PSEG's Investor Relations website astatine investor.pseg.com.

I'd now for illustration to move nan convention complete to Carlotta Chan. Please spell ahead.

Carlotta Chan

Thank you, Shamali. Welcome to PSEG's 4th fourth and afloat twelvemonth 2022 net presentation. Joining america connected nan telephone coming are Ralph LaRossa, Chair, President and CEO of PSEG; and Dan Cregg, Executive Vice President and CFO.

The property merchandise attachments and slides for today’s chat are posted connected our IR website astatine investor.pseg.com and our 10-K will beryllium revenge shortly. The net merchandise and different matters discussed during today's telephone incorporate forward-looking statements and estimates that are taxable to various risks and uncertainties.

We will besides talk non-GAAP operating earnings, which differs from nett income aliases nett nonaccomplishment arsenic reported successful accordance pinch mostly accepted accounting principles successful nan United States. We see reconciliations of our non-GAAP financial measures and a disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements connected our IR website and successful today's material.

Following Ralph and Dan's prepared remarks, we will behaviour a question-and-answer session. I will now move nan telephone complete to Ralph.

Ralph LaRossa

Thank you, Carlotta, and convey you to everyone joining america connected our telephone this morning. Since nan 3rd 4th 2022 net report, we've had respective important updates. Dan will supply you pinch a afloat financial reappraisal later successful our prepared remarks arsenic I will attraction connected immoderate strategical highlights.

We are pleased to study beardown operating and financial results for some nan 4th fourth and afloat twelvemonth of 2022. We successfully navigated past year's challenges including inflation, proviso concatenation disruptions, energies value spikes, and nan steep emergence successful liking rates to present a GAAP net of $2.06 per share, and non-GAAP operating net of $3.47 per share, placing our results for nan afloat twelvemonth supra nan midpoint of our 2022 non-GAAP net guidance.

In fact, 2022 was nan 18th twelvemonth successful a statement that PSEG has delivered non-GAAP results astatine aliases supra management's original operating net guidance. PSE&G which contributed nan immense mostly of our results posted successful 8.2% yearly summation successful nett income from nan continued finance successful its TND infrastructure, cleanable power programs and a first afloat twelvemonth of decoupling. PSE&G invested complete $3 cardinal of superior during 2022 successful transmission upgrades, state strategy modernization, power efficiency, electrical conveyance infrastructure and launched our efforts to reside nan reliability of nan past mile of our distribution system.

At twelvemonth extremity 2022, PSE&G's complaint guidelines topped $26.4 cardinal a 7.7% summation complete nan twelvemonth extremity 2021. We cognize nan value shareholders placed connected a predictability and visibility of our financial results and during nan past 12 months we person taken galore steps to present conscionable that. First, we completed nan strategical alternatives process, which included nan waste of PSE&G fossil past February. This accrued nan regulated publication to astir 90% of our consolidated non-GAAP earnings.

We completed a $500 cardinal stock repurchase programme successful May of 2022 and accrued nan rate return to shareholders by raising nan yearly dividend by $0.12 aliases 5.9% for 2022.

Second, nan transition of nan ostentation simplification enactment of 2022 will connection our atomic procreation a level of overmuch needed stableness erstwhile it goes into effect successful 2024. While nan manufacture waits for clarifications, we judge nan ostentation simplification enactment is simply a crippled changer that should supply nan stableness required for agelong word financial viability of nan U.S. atomic fleet.

As a consequence of nan atomic accumulation taxation credits extending done astatine slightest 2032 we are now capable to see mini but important worth added investments, including nan imaginable for capacity upgrades to [indiscernible] a substance rhythm hold to clasp Creek and nan licence hold of our New Jersey units.

Critical to these decisions will beryllium our determination of really predictable and visible atomic revenues could beryllium beyond our existent 3 years ZEC window. The Ira besides created valuable incentives for PSE&G's customers to accelerate their modulation to electrical vehicles, which will precocious New Jersey's decarbonisation goals and grow our opportunities to put successful past mile reliability and make fresh infrastructure. This aligns pinch nan caller authorities objectives to summation electrification.

Just past week, Governor Murphy issued 3 executive orders that found aliases accelerate nan state's existing 2050 targets for cleanable root energy, building electrification and electrical conveyance take goals pinch caller target dates successful 2030 and 2035.

The Board of Public Utilities and different authorities agencies were directed to collaborate pinch stakeholders to create plans to scope these goals. These see an updated power maestro scheme successful 2024, and a caller proceeding to create a early of earthy state inferior works to see caller gross streams, specified arsenic conversion of existing accommodation to territory geothermal, and caller technologies to meet nan 2019 power maestro scheme extremity of 50% reduced emissions beneath 2006 levels by 2030.

Third, we announced our strategical determination to exit our finance successful offshore upwind procreation by trading our 25% equity liking successful Ocean Wind 1 backdoor associated task partner Ørsted. This determination to exit aliases short procreation was accordant pinch our extremity to summation nan predictability of our business. PSE&G will proceed to supply Ocean Wind 1 to onshore building guidance services to guarantee nan onshore substations and associated onshore cabling are fresh to person nan project's output erstwhile it goes successful service. We besides intend to proceed pursuing regulated transmission projects offshore and investing successful related transmission and distribution projects onshore and enabling nan New Jersey upwind larboard successful Salem County.

Finally, past week, nan BPU approved nan colony of our pension accounting filing, retroactive to January 1, 2023. An important measurement we person pursued to limit pension disbursal volatility. This improved business level created by nan strategical actions we person taken complete nan past 2 years, mixed pinch our efforts to summation nan predictability of our results, positions america to constrictive our 2023 non-GAAP operating net to a scope of $3.40 to $3.50 per stock from our original guidance of $3.35 to $3.55 a stock provided past November. This caller $0.10 scope compares to nan $0.20 scope we person provided successful erstwhile years.

These strategical rules besides thrust our outlook for agelong word compound yearly net maturation complaint of 5% to 7% done 2027 and alteration america to prosecute this maturation way without nan request to rumor caller equity during this 5 twelvemonth period.

Moving into 2023, we extended our 2022 dividend summation of $0.12 per stock to group nan 2023 suggestive yearly complaint astatine $2.28 per share, marking our 116th twelvemonth of paying a dividend to shareholders. PSE&G has begun executing its superior finance scheme of complete $3.4 cardinal for 2023 which is expected to beryllium nan largest azygous twelvemonth walk successful utilities 120 twelvemonth history. This will beryllium directed chiefly towards infrastructure replacement, power ratio and past mile reliability. The bully news is that further headroom was created successful our state and mixed customer bill, arsenic nan caller diminution successful earthy state prices has enabled PSE&G to trim its residential default state proviso complaint by $0.15 to $0.15 per therm for nan equilibrium of nan wintertime 2020 to 2023 heating season. This alteration successful nan pastor commodity complaint will trim nan emblematic residential wintertime state measure by $13 per period annualized aliases 11.5%.

Speaking of our customers, they rated PSE&G number 1 successful 2022 JV Power customer restitution studies for some residential electrical and earthy state work successful nan East among ample utilities. This is nan first clip we person achieved some number 1 rankings successful nan aforesaid year. This grant culminated nan twelvemonth that saw PSEG recognized by nan Edison Electric Institute pinch nan Edison award, nan industry's highest honor, for activity and innovation. And speaking of leadership, PSEG's environmental, societal and governance credentials proceed to beryllium recognized. In summation to our MSCI upgrades to triple A, its highest ESG standing PSEG was besides named for nan Dow Jones Sustainability North America scale for nan 15th twelvemonth successful a row, arsenic good arsenic conscionable 100 database of America's astir conscionable companies for 2023 recognizes our committedness to serving our customers, workforce, communities, nan situation and shareholders.

None of this could beryllium accomplished without our employees, who stay PSEG's astir important resource. Together, we proceed to beryllium guided by PSEG's agelong opinionated committedness to operational excellence, discipline, investment, and financial strength.

As I admit our employees, I must return a infinitesimal to grant 1 that mislaid his life successful a tragic enactment of violence. Some of you whitethorn person heard astir nan horrible nonaccomplishment erstwhile a personnel of nan PSEG squad was killed by a erstwhile employee. It was 1 of nan saddest days successful our company's history. Our condolences and prayers spell retired to each of those that person been impacted by this event. I besides want to convey our labor who supported each different during this difficult time. We will proceed to supply resources to protect nan health, information and wellbeing of each PSEG employees, including condolences counseling for immoderate worker seeking it.

In closing, and arsenic I mentioned earlier, we cognize nan important stakeholders play immoderate predictability and visibility of our financial results and goals. I person made expanding some factors, a cardinal attraction of PSEG's strategical plan. We intend to stock nan specifications of this scheme connected our upcoming investor convention connected March 10 arsenic we proceed to build a applicable way for decarbonizing nan New Jersey economy.

I'll now move nan telephone complete to Dan and return aft his remarks for Q&A.

Dan Cregg

Thank you, Ralph. Good greeting everybody. For nan afloat twelvemonth 2022 GAAP net were $2.06 per share, compared to a GAAP nonaccomplishment of $1.29 per stock for nan afloat twelvemonth of 2021, which included fossil waste related impairments. Non-GAAP results for $3.47 per stock for 2022 compared to 2021's non-GAAP results of $3.65 per share, which you whitethorn callback excluded depreciation related to nan fossil assets held for waste successful nan 4th fourth of '21 and status of powerfulness debt. For nan 4th fourth of 2022 GAAP net improved to $1.58 per share, compared pinch $0.88 per stock for nan 4th fourth of 2021.

Non-GAAP operating net were $0.64 per stock compared pinch $0.69 per stock for nan 4th fourth of 2021 which incorporate nan fossil waste related items I conscionable mentioned. We provided accusation connected slides 9 and 11 regarding nan publication to non-GAAP operating net by business connected nan 4th fourth and afloat twelvemonth periods ended December 31.

Slides 10 and 12 incorporate waterfall charts that return you done nan nett changes quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year and non-GAAP operating net by awesome business which I will reappraisal now starting pinch PSE&G.

Full twelvemonth 2022 nett income roseate by $119 cardinal aliases complete 8% to $1.565 cardinal compared to 2021 nett income of $1.446 cardinal reflecting higher net from continued finance successful TND programs and nan favorable effect of a afloat twelvemonth of decoupling successful 2022.

For nan 4th fourth of 2022, nan utilities nett income roseate by $81 cardinal to $352 cardinal aliases $0.70 per stock compared to $0.53 per stock successful nan 4th fourth of 2021. As you tin spot connected Slide 10 transmission separator and a penny per stock compared to nan twelvemonth earlier quarter, reflecting maturation and complaint guidelines partially offset by nan timing of O&M recovery.

Gas, electrical and different separator contributed mixed to adhd $0.07 per stock compared pinch past year's 4th fourth reflecting GSMP II roll-ins nan Conservation inducement programme aliases CIP decoupling for some electrical and gas, appliance work and different margins.

On nan disbursal side, O&M was level versus nan anterior twelvemonth quarter. Higher distribution depreciation and liking disbursal each trim results by a penny per stock reflecting higher works successful work and investment. Lower pension disbursal added a penny per stock versus a twelvemonth agone 4th and travel done taxes nan effect of little outstanding shares and different items added $0.10 per stock compared to nan 4th fourth of '21 pinch $0.07 of that magnitude reversing nan timing effect of taxes from anterior quarters successful 2022.

During '22, PSEG invested complete $3 cardinal successful planned superior spending to upgrade transmission and distribution facilities, heighten reliability and accrued resiliency. In 2022, we besides launched nan IAP our $511 cardinal infrastructure advancement program, which nan BPU authorized past June to amended nan reliability of nan past mile of our electrical distribution strategy and reside aging substations and state M&R stations. As Ralph mentioned a twelvemonth successful 2022 PSE&G's complaint guidelines stood astatine astir $26.4 cardinal a 7.7% summation complete twelvemonth extremity 2021.

Last Friday, nan Board of Public Utilities approved an bid authorizing PSE&G to modify its method of pension accounting for ratemaking purposes, which will mitigate variability successful nan calculation of PSE&G's pension disbursal for almanac twelvemonth 2023 and beyond.

The backdrop of economical conditions proceed to amended successful New Jersey during 2022. New Jersey's unemployment complaint return to pre-pandemic levels of 3.3% successful September, and stay beneath nan nationalist mean astatine twelvemonth end. System highest load reached 10,147 megawatts connected August 9, exceeding nan 10,000 megawatt level for nan 2nd twelvemonth successful a row.

Weather normalized electrical income accrued by 2% for nan twelvemonth pinch residential income level and CNI income expanding by 3%. Weather normalize state income were level for nan twelvemonth pinch residential state income down 1% while CNI income accrued by 2%. [The sale] system because nan effect of astir customer usage from separator taxable to net aliases complaint headdress limitations, leaving nan alteration successful nan number of customers arsenic nan awesome driver of separator maturation going forward. The number of electrical and state customer roseate by astir 1% each successful 2022.

Wrapping up nan inferior update. We've narrowed our forecast of PSE&G's nett income for 2023 To $1.5 cardinal to $1.525 cardinal which reflects pension and OPEB updates compared to 2022 offset by nan use of contemporaneously recovered investments, predictability of inferior separator from nan information coupling, arsenic good arsenic nan implementation of nan pension accounting filing effective for almanac twelvemonth '23.

Now turning to c free infrastructure another. For afloat twelvemonth 22 CFIOs nett nonaccomplishment of $534 cardinal aliases $1.06 per stock reflected higher losses connected some people to marketplace transactions and atomic decommissioning spot money related activity. The afloat twelvemonth 2021 nett nonaccomplishment included impairments and indebtedness extinguishment costs related to nan fossil sale. Non-GAAP operating net declined $174 cardinal aliases $0.35 per stock from $407 cardinal for afloat twelvemonth '21 reflecting nan absence of nan fossil assets. The 4th fourth 22 CFIOs nett income improved to $436 cardinal aliases $0.88 per stock from $174 cardinal successful nan twelvemonth agone quarter, reflecting higher gains connected some people to marketplace transactions and NDT money related activities.

Net income for nan 4th fourth ‘21 included indebtedness extinguishment costs and different charges related to nan waste of fossil. For nan 4th fourth 2022 nan non-GAAP operating net nonaccomplishment of $34 cardinal aliases $0.06 per stock reflected nan absence of nan fossil assets compared to nan 4th fourth 2021 non-GAAP net of $81 cardinal aliases $0.68 per share, which reflected nan cessation of depreciation and little liking costs related to nan fossil sale.

Referring again to Slide 10, non-GAAP operating net were $0.22 per stock little successful nan 4th fourth than nan 4th fourth of 2021 driven by little capacity prices for nan remaining atomic fleet, but regeneration measurement recontracting little prices and little platform gross compared to nan twelvemonth agone quarter.

Combined these items drove electrical gross separator to diminution $0.34 per share. Gas operations improved by $0.04 per share, reflecting higher disconnected strategy sales, higher commodity pricing and higher stores.

Power related costs comparisons for nan 4th fourth 2022 amended his wide O&M disbursal was $0.07 per stock favorable compared to nan twelvemonth agone quarter. Again reflecting fossil assets sale, partially offset by nan scheme refueling astatine nan 100% owned Hope Creek atomic works successful this year's 4th quarter. Appreciation and interests were higher by a penny per stock that reflected nan March 2022 indebtedness issuance of powerfulness versus nan twelvemonth earlier indebtedness retirements related to nan fossil sale.

Activity was a salary per stock favorable comparison nan 4th fourth of 2021 chiefly reflecting nan principle of 2021's aid to nan PSEG foundation, partially offset by higher genitor liking of $0.04. Taxes and different improved by a penny per stock complete nan 4th fourth of 2021 and includes nan accelerated receipt of expected taxation carried retired declare successful '22 alternatively of '23, which is partially offset by nan reversing of a timing effect from taxation benefits successful anterior quarters successful 2022.

Turning to ops. The atomic fleet operated and an mean capacity facet of 85.8% during nan 4th quarter, which included nan Hope Creek and 7.3 terawatt hours request for generation. An unplanned outage astatine Salem portion 2 successful precocious December 2022 occurred during a PJM region wide procreation emergency action and resulted successful capacity capability penalties. The nett financial effect of nan outage including replacement power, capacity penalties, arsenic good arsenic bonuses earned by nan different operating PSEG units did not expect it to beryllium material.

For nan afloat twelvemonth nan atomic fleet operated astatine an mean capacity facet of 92.2% producing 31.3 terawatt hours of generation. PSEG's forecasting full baseline baseload atomic procreation of astir 31 terawatt hours for nan afloat twelvemonth of 23 hedged 95% to 100% and an mean value of $31 per megawatt hr an summation of astir $4 per megawatt hr compared to '22.

For '24 full atomic procreation is forecast besides to beryllium astir 31 terawatt hours, and 55% to 60% hedged than an mean value of $32 per megawatt hour. In addition, successful December, we exited definite bequest BGS aliases basal procreation work contracts successful bid to rebalance our hedge portfolio and realign it to our baseload atomic fleet and trim volatility successful 2023.

Wrapping up CFIO we've narrowed our forecast of non-GAAP operating net to $200 cardinal to $225 cardinal from $185 cardinal to $235 million. A speedy update connected financing activity and collateral postings. As of December 31, 2022, full disposable in installments capacity was $3.7 cardinal including a cardinal astatine PSE&G. In addition, we person full rate and rate equivalents connected manus of astir $465 million. PSEG powerfulness had nett rate collateral postings of $1.5 cardinal astatine December 31 chiefly related to arsenic a money hedge positions resulting from higher power prices, which declined to $700 cardinal done past Friday. Given nan caller betterment successful our collateral position, successful January of this year, we prepaid $750 of a $1.5 cardinal short word indebtedness that was owed successful April.

Following nan repayment of this word loan, PSEG had outstanding a full of $1.25 cardinal of 365 time word loans expiring this outpouring to support powers collateral needs and powerfulness had an outstanding a $1.25 cardinal word indebtedness expiring successful March of 2025. Combined, these word loans comprise $2.5 cardinal a adaptable complaint debt.

As we mentioned during our 3rd 4th call, we entered into liking complaint swaps during September and October of past year, which converted $1.05 cardinal of our outstanding word loans from floating to fixed complaint reducing our adaptable complaint indebtedness exposure. Following nan measurement of nan pension astatine twelvemonth extremity 2022, we've incorporated nan effect of nan existent 2022 finance returns, discount complaint and liking rates into nan 2023 pension [calculations].

Our expected return connected scheme assets accrued to 8.1% for 2023, arsenic nan declining worth of nan fixed income securities owed to higher liking rates during '22 enables a higher output connected them going forward. While 2022 finance returns has a antagonistic effect connected 2023 pension calculations, nan summation successful liking rates serves to trim nan pension liability pinch nan funded position of a pension plan, ending nan twelvemonth astatine a coagulated 87%. In addition, nan region colony approved by nan BPU will create a regulatory plus aliases liability to overlay our existent accounting, which will partially mitigate nan effect of definite disbursal related pension calculations going forward.

As Ralph mentioned earlier, we've narrowed our 2023 non-GAAP operating net guidance to $3.40 to $3.50 per stock astir nan aforesaid $3.45 per stock midpoint, pinch regulated operations continuing to lend astir 90% of that total. As a reminder, PSEG does not forecast GAAP net related and related agelong word maturation rates.

PSE&G's forecast of 2023 nett income is narrowed to $1.500 cardinal to $1.525 cardinal reflecting nan predictability provided by nan expected transmission distribution finance recovery, and attraction connected owned and costs control.

Non-GAAP operating net guidance for CFIO is now forecasted astatine $200 cardinal to $225 million. CFIOs narrowed guidance besides removed nan antecedently expected benefits of nan taxation transportation backmost declare from PSEG's 2023 operating guidance.

That concludes our prepared remarks. So Shamali please unfastened nan line. And we'll return immoderate questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now statesman nan mobility and reply convention for members of nan financial community. [Operator Instructions] And nan first mobility is from Shar Pourreza from Guggenheim Partners. Please proceed pinch your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Good greeting Ralph and team. It's really Constantine present for Shar. Congrats connected nan quarter.

Ralph LaRossa

Hey -

Unidentified Analyst

Just wanted to commencement disconnected pinch '23 guidance updates, and specifically connected nan utility. Do you person immoderate updates connected nan O&M costs inaugural targets and liking costs that are embedded successful guidance versus what was presented successful November particularly arsenic you're uncovering down immoderate of nan collateral needs. And conscionable possibly to clarify, was nan pension result nan main driver for nan 15 cardinal alteration astatine nan apical extremity of nan guidance?

Ralph LaRossa

I deliberation nan measurement to deliberation astir nan hostility honestly, is conscionable reducing volatility overall, arsenic we deliberation astir it EI was successful November, we were providing guidance. And arsenic you know, we snapped nan portion astatine 12.31. And truthful I deliberation nan elimination of nan ups and downs that could person travel from twelvemonth end, which was not known astatine nan clip was portion of nan logic that we had a wider scope astatine that constituent and are much constrictive now I would opportunity that that number came successful correct astir wherever we thought it was going to. And truthful I would opportunity we are accordant pinch that. But pinch nan absence of nan activity that we could person had. We had presumed astatine that time, Constantine, that we would get what we did subsequently obtained from nan BPU. So that was presumed already and I would opportunity from an O&M perspective. I'd opportunity it's adjacent to deliberation astir nan assumptions arsenic being accordant arsenic what we said astatine EI.

We whitethorn spot immoderate benefits coming done by kindness of collateral coming disconnected a small quicker but nan twelvemonth is not over. We'll proceed to spot immoderate movements. And we'll proceed to negociate that going forward.

Dan Cregg

Yes Constantine nan only I would adhd from O&M standpoint, we would person been a civilization of continuous improvement. And we'll proceed to look for opportunities erstwhile they arise, but we don't usually publicize immoderate circumstantial numbers connected that area.

Unidentified Analyst

Okay. Thanks for that clarification. This 1 mightiness beryllium much for Dan, again, pinch the, pinch nan announced exit from offshore wind. And nan first portion being though that put action connected nan JV and nan imaginable incremental acreage income much directly? How are you reasoning astir nan usage of proceeds? And arsenic we deliberation astir nan aged finance capacity slide, and pinch nan waste proceeds nan unwind of nan short word financing? Is location a target FFO to indebtedness metrics that we request to deliberation astir successful your longer word readying assumptions?

Ralph LaRossa

Yes, I think, we waste connected it that that exit from mobility erstwhile 1 would beryllium astatine our costs to date. And we've characterized it arsenic being correct astir $200 cardinal conscionable successful conscionable an excess of $200 million, truthful that it surely is bully to person backmost but it's not a awesome point to move nan needle pinch respect to nan broader numbers. I deliberation we've talked astir having an wide arsenic a footstep period 13% to 14%. And we've talked successful nan past astir surviving location northbound of that into nan 15, 16 area. And I deliberation that's a adjacent measurement to proceed to deliberation astir wherever we are.

Unidentified Analyst

Great, and possibly for conscionable 1 2nd shifting to nuclear. What's nan period for including operational aliases CapEx driven upside into nan scheme and nan needs associated pinch it, conscionable reasoning astir co-owner and immoderate of nan assets of conscionable being de-announcements astir immoderate of nan upgrades elsewhere. Curious connected immoderate thoughts aliases conversations that you've had?

Ralph LaRossa

Yes. So we'll person our normal tally complaint operating capital. And to nan grade that there's an opportunity to deploy superior to heighten results overall. Obviously, that study is going to spell done conscionable for illustration immoderate different analysis, we would do and beryllium up against nan hurdle complaint that's going to show that it's going to make consciousness for america to do that. I deliberation we person immoderate committedness connected immoderate things going forward. And possibly we'll springiness you a small spot much colour astir that, arsenic we get a small further down nan roadworthy connected it.

Unidentified Analyst

And immoderate circumstantial conversations that you've had aliases still excessively early?

Ralph LaRossa

About nan CapEx?

Unidentified Analyst

With nan co-owners.

Ralph LaRossa

We talk to our callers each nan time. I mean, that's conscionable nan normal operating but thing specific. Yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Okay, convey you. Appreciate it. Thanks for taking nan questions.

Operator

Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Jeremy Tonet pinch JPMorgan. Pleae proceed pinch your questions.

Unidentified Analyst

Hi, bully morning. It's really Rich connected for Jeremy. Can you perceive me?

Ralph LaRossa

Sure. Yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Hey, thanks. circle backmost to nan offshore we update conscionable connected nan acreage. Any options present evaluating beyond an outright waste here? Also funny erstwhile we tin expect nan adjacent update connected this front?

Ralph LaRossa

Yes. So Rich, conscionable unequivocally we're not going to beryllium successful nan offshore procreation business. I mean that and nan timing of what we do, we'll conscionable beryllium keeping an oculus connected nan marketplace and spot what makes sense.

Unidentified Analyst

Very clear. Got it. And past conscionable Governor Murphy's executive orders wrong that I conjecture nan 100% cleanable power plan. How do you spot this impacting nan Energy Master Plan wide and funny astatine a precocious level, what you're focused connected either from that beforehand aliases from an EMP front?

Ralph LaRossa

So I would benignant of say, there's a batch of bully news successful that announcement past week for a institution for illustration ours, and particularly one, it's been focused. We kicked disconnected this effort connected nan past mile past twelvemonth and I deliberation this conscionable benignant of reinforces nan request for it from a customer standpoint, and from a reliability standpoint. So tons of opportunities. We'll surely beryllium engaged successful that. I personally americium tripling down connected electrical vehicles arsenic overmuch arsenic we tin successful this area, and that's driving nan decarbonisation successful nan state.

And past from a state strategy standpoint, surely immoderate push connected whether aliases not there's a batch of description of nan state system, we person astir a precocious 80% saturation complaint for our customers. So we ne'er had our business scheme group up for maturation connected nan state side. That's not successful our numbers. We conscionable benignant of hook up customers, arsenic they telephone this, but our replacement plans are wholly aligned. If you look astatine nan wording that's successful nan executive bid by reducing methane emissions. So we deliberation there's conscionable a batch of positives successful that announcement. And we'll activity pinch nan authorities and argumentation makers connected immoderate we tin aforesaid thrust that successful nan Energy Master Plan.

Unidentified Analyst

Got it, very adjuvant it. Sorry, conscionable wanted to circle backmost 1 past clip to offshore upwind [indiscernible] to acreage. Is that is that each committed? And tin you conscionable tally nan numbers connected what's successful location and what's nett to PEG?

Ralph LaRossa

It’s 35,000 acres, and truthful there's astir 35,000 acres that are still disposable to immoderate degree, we've committed immoderate of that are group if they spell up skip check. I don't person nan nonstop numbers successful beforehand of us, but it's a de minimis magnitude of that 35,000.

Dan Cregg

Yes, there's, arsenic that task was going forward, location was a request for immoderate incremental acreage. And truthful immoderate of those were made disposable for that purpose.

Unidentified Analyst

Great. Thank you for nan clip today.

Ralph LaRossa

Thanks Rich.

Operator

Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Durgesh Chopra pinch Evercore ISI. Please proceed pinch your question.

Durgesh Chopra

Hey, bully greeting team. Thanks for taking my questions. Good morning, guys. Just connected nan chair successful front, I conscionable want to reconcile and make judge we person this accurately captured nan accounting bid from nan BPU past week that astir mitigates astir 20% to 30% of nan pension disbursal volatility. So if you tin corroborate that, Dan, if that's still nan correct number, and past possibly you tin update america connected nan benignant of nan assistance retired attack that you had highlighted you were considering conscionable immoderate updates that you tin stock location arsenic well.

Dan Cregg

Yes. I conjecture I'm nan first question. I deliberation that's a reasonable measurement to deliberation astir it, though you will spot arsenic you measurement done time, immoderate of nan components elements nether changing. So it's not a I deliberation it's a adjacent measurement to deliberation astir wherever we beryllium today. But arsenic we measurement done time, immoderate of that could move arsenic immoderate of nan constituent elements extremity up changing. I deliberation pinch respect to nan database that we've talked astir a small spot successful nan past, we are continuing to research that arsenic a potential.

Again, arsenic a reminder really what that does is conscionable shrink nan wide size of nan pension for us. And I deliberation that imaginable still exists for america we're still doing diligence connected it and we're moving our measurement done nan process. And we'll person immoderate much accusation for you arsenic we spell done nan year. But I wouldn't expect thing to beryllium imminent but I would dream to spot thing hap this twelvemonth [indiscernible] Durgesh.

Ralph LaRossa

We mightiness person mislaid him.

Operator

Durgesh are you connected mute? Not judge he's still connected but --

Carlotta Chan

Shamali we tin move to nan adjacent question. And if Durgesh comes back, we'll proceed pinch him.

Operator

Sure. No problem. Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of David Arcaro pinch Morgan Stanley. Please proceed pinch your question.

David Arcaro

Hey, Ralph and Dan. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Ralph LaRossa

Hey Dave.

David Arcaro

Let's see. I was funny connected nuclear. So galore of your peers precocious announced higher levels of atomic O&M heading into 2023. Curious if you would expect a akin move successful position of upward O&M unit connected your atomic units? And past abstracted but somewhat related connected atomic fuel. They also, we're taking a much blimpish attack successful position of building inventory and lowering consequence of immoderate benignant of Russian proviso interruptions that could hap successful nan future. Wondering if you person considered a akin strategical attack successful position of sourcing atomic fuel.

Ralph LaRossa

Yes. So a mates of things connected that front, connected nan conscionable from an O&M standpoint, arsenic you recall, nan ostentation simplification enactment required anyone who wanted to participate successful nan PTC aliases not participate, but afloat participate successful nan PTC to salary prevailing wages astatine nan sites. And we person been doing that for years present astatine PSEG. So nary awkward O&MM effect for us. I don't cognize if there's thing beyond that nan others are talking about, but specifically for us, I don't spot thing that would beryllium driving further O&M expenses astatine those plants. And past connected a substance supply. We were not arsenic limited connected Russian substance supply, arsenic astatine each for our substance supply.

So it's not an rumor for america that we needed to get successful beforehand of, and I deliberation we'll talk a small spot much astir that astatine the, astatine our investor meeting. But I conscionable it's, again, that's thing that was forefront for america aliases thing that we had to proactively address. Because we're not, we're conscionable not successful that marketplace. I deliberation there's an effect connected nan full market. There'll beryllium an effect for everyone. But that's thing we are trying to jump successful beforehand of correct now.

Dan Cregg

Yes, I deliberation we sewage beautiful bully statement of show successful nan adjacent word connected atomic fuel, David conscionable fixed from nan standpoint of nan substance successful nan reactor, and past you've sewage your upcoming substance reloads and those that arsenic you benignant of spell done nan years, nan adjacent word is beautiful well-hedged and known, and that's connected apical of nan substance that's successful nan reactor. So I deliberation we're successful beautiful bully style for nan pursuit for nan foreseeable future.

David Arcaro

Got it. Got it. Thanks. That's helpful. And past I conscionable wanted to explain connected nan collateral postings. It's awesome to spot that they've travel down possibly sooner than expected. I was wondering if you could conscionable punctual america of really nan collateral benignant of falls disconnected done nan twelvemonth and is that earlier than you had antecedently anticipated I deliberation $800 cardinal that you were capable to salary down earlier? Is that adjuvant for EPS successful position of taking immoderate of nan short word indebtedness disconnected nan equilibrium expanse for this year?

Ralph LaRossa

Yes, David, we've said before, if you deliberation astir about of nan value differential and astir of nan play that we do person hedged, a batch of what we would expect to spot is that those positions would rotation disconnected done '23 and into nan wintertime of '24 was wherever nan bigger constituent of nan totals were. And truthful that timing is reasonably consistent. I think, to nan grade that you saw prices travel down, you're going to spot a little wide equilibrium to nan grade that they spell backmost up that'll proceed to move. So it will proceed to beryllium dynamic, but to nan grade that that stays a small spot little arsenic we tally done these adjacent 12 months, we would person little wide collateral posted and that would beryllium a benefit.

David Arcaro

Okay, great. Thanks truthful much.

Ralph LaRossa

Yes.

Operator

Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Durgesh Chopra pinch Evercore ISI. Please proceed pinch your question.

Ralph LaRossa

Are you back?

Durgesh Chopra

I am. Can you perceive maine now?

Ralph LaRossa

We can.

Durgesh Chopra

Okay, sorry astir that. It was really my headset. So Dan, convey you. I heard each of that. I admit it. Just nan assistance that was astir different 20% to 30% that would trim nan pension volatility by and truthful if you were capable to get that successfully, nan uplift successfully executed that would fundamentally basically benignant of nan 50% of nan pension disbursal volatility would person been taken attraction of includes [indiscernible] bid past week. Am I reasoning astir that correctly?

Dan Cregg

Yes. I deliberation you mean nan database out. Right.

Durgesh Chopra

Yes. That's right.

Dan Cregg

So I deliberation that's a bully measurement to deliberation astir if you deliberation astir building blocks, you'll person an constituent related to nan inferior pinch respect to nan unrecognized losses, and past you would person different constituent which would beryllium of comparable size. I deliberation nan measurement you're reasoning astir nan mathematics is right. There is nan only caveat is again, arsenic you do spell done times, you'll spot nan different costs components and return components changed a small bit. So you could spot immoderate of them, but I deliberation that's a adjacent measurement to deliberation astir it there.

Durgesh Chopra

Okay, perfect. And conscionable 1 past 1 again successful position of timing, you mightiness person said that, expect an update sometime this year. So by Analysts Day aliases Investor Day successful March, we shouldn't beryllium expecting that you get a you get a chair and assistance out, right. That's coming later successful nan year?

Dan Cregg

That's nan correct measurement to deliberation astir it. Yes.

Durgesh Chopra

Thank you truthful much. I admit it again, guys. And convey you for bringing maine backmost successful clip to inquire my questions.

Ralph LaRossa

Anytime Durgesh.

Ralph LaRossa

Take attraction of nan headset.

Operator

And our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Michael Sullivan pinch Wolfe Research. Please proceed pinch your question.

Ralph LaRossa

Hey, Michael.

Michael Sullivan

Hey, Ralph, really are you. Great. Yes, I didn't want to for illustration beforehand tally nan hour, opportunity excessively overmuch here. But conscionable tin you possibly springiness america a small preview of what other to expect conscionable successful position of caller disclosures? I mean, I ideate nan maturation complaint and each that is benignant of set. But successful position of for illustration immoderate of nan atomic things you alluded to, aliases we get immoderate much spirit there. And past I conjecture connected offshore upwind side, it sounds for illustration that timings not really tied to nan expert day?

Ralph LaRossa

Yes. No, that's not. Look I would opportunity this The Michael, if you locomotion retired of that gathering pinch moreover much assurance successful our expertise to execute connected nan things that we've been talking astir that would beryllium my extremity for that investor meeting. We've done that complete nan past twelvemonth successful immoderate crazy turbulent times. And I deliberation that you'll spot much of that. And I want you to locomotion retired of that gathering pinch much confidence. So much than doubling down connected immoderate of nan things that we've sewage planned successful nan utility. And that should beryllium nan existent item of nan speech a small much astir our thoughts astir really to respond to nan governor's telephone for action.

Michael Sullivan

Okay, great. And past I deliberation this benignant of sewage asked a small bit, but conscionable connected nan offshore upwind proceeds. So it sounds for illustration nan $200 cardinal you already sewage backmost is not a large needle mover. But erstwhile you stack that connected apical of what you could perchance get for GSOE. I'd ideate that's a small much material. So benignant of arsenic we deliberation astir wherever those proceeds could go.

Ralph LaRossa

Yes, and conscionable truthful we are 100% clear, we person not received nan $200 cardinal backmost yet, right? That's successful nan process pinch our partner, and we're going done dotting nan I's and crossing nan T's successful that full conversation. So much to travel connected that front. But I deliberation nan materiality of nan GSOE is simply a TBD. And we'll spot what nan marketplace gives america connected that front. And past Dan, and nan squad will do what Dan and nan squad person done for galore years and put it to nan champion use.

Michael Sullivan

Sorry. So are you suggesting that it could extremity up being successful worldly for illustration is location a logic that nary really worthy anything?

Ralph LaRossa

No, I conscionable don't want to, we're not building a scheme that's built that's based connected getting immoderate New York bight multiples connected it. So I don't want group to locomotion distant pinch immoderate inflated sentiment connected what those acres are going to beryllium worth. We'll spot what nan marketplace comes backmost with.

Michael Sullivan

Okay, adjacent enough. Okay. Thanks very much.

Ralph LaRossa

Yes.

Operator

Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Julien Dumoulin-Smith pinch Bank of America. Please proceed pinch your question.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Hey, bully greeting team. Thanks for nan time. Appreciate it. Good to chat pinch you guys.

Ralph LaRossa

It's been a while.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

It's been a 2nd year. Absolutely. I'm truthful conscionable pinch respect to really you guys want to travel backmost to this existent quickly. A mates different moving pieces. First off, if I heard correct successful nan comments, BGS here, you guys are moving distant from that seems for illustration a somewhat much important strategical determination aft years of benefiting there. Can you talk astir that a small spot here, again, evidently not a large contribution. But past besides related here, astir apt much captious and looking guardant present what's your latest mentation of nan PTC and really that interplays pinch your 24 hedges and yet really you deliberation astir hedging correct now, considering what IRS whitethorn aliases whitethorn not do?

Ralph LaRossa

I want to springiness that to Dan to springiness you specifications connected it. But that is not a caller move connected our part. We person been moving distant complete clip connected nan BGSS and I deliberation we've BGS and we've talked astir that for a while connected that BGSS for BGS and we've been we've been doing that if it's a different product, right? It's much of a style merchandise than a than a shot merchandise that are atomic plants pinch support but Dan will springiness you a batch much specifications connected that and nan GMP.

Dan Cregg

Yes, conscionable to conscionable to beryllium ace clear, Julian if you deliberation astir it, nan BGS merchandise is simply a default merchandise successful New Jersey connected nan electrical broadside of nan business. And truthful PCG powerfulness has utilized that arsenic a hedge for a agelong clip and PCG powerfulness had atomic and fossil units and had a very shaped output, seasonality by kindness of having some atomic and fossil generation.

And arsenic we sold nan fossil units, and we still had immoderate BGS obligations you deliberation astir those are 3 years astatine a clip that was not an perfect fresh for nuclear, which is much shaped successful a much of a artifact power. And truthful really don't return excessively overmuch from nan waste of nan BGS. It conscionable those remaining bequest tranches were not a bully fresh for a atomic output that looks much for illustration artifact style power. What is not is related to nan BGSS, which is basal state proviso work that we supply to PSE&G Ng, and really tin leverage immoderate of that excess capacity successful a measurement that we've done for galore years and will proceed to do that.

So nan move distant is for conscionable nan mini remaining bequest tranches that we had connected BGS connected nan electrical side, that were taken connected 3 years astatine a clip and unrelated to BGSS. With respect to nan interpretations, I would emotion to person much of an mentation than I do correct now. But we don't person guidance from Treasury related to really they will specify market seats successful determining what nan PTC will beryllium based upon.

And truthful we are still a small spot astatine nan mercy of what Treasury will do. I deliberation nan result of nan PTC's is going to beryllium affirmative and supportive. But nan nonstop dynamics of precisely what numbers you would usage to fig retired what that's going to beryllium is undetermined by that I mean to nan different portion of your mobility really they will relationship for hedges successful their calculation.

And truthful that's nan guidance we're still waiting upon. I deliberation that nan result will power really we will extremity up hedging nan atomic units. We will effort to align pinch really they will specify market seats truthful that yet nan PTC that we get will benignant of fresh nan wide system arsenic it's expected to work.

And we tin extremity up pinch that dependable eventual consequence astatine nan PTC period aliases supra if nan markets are higher and truthful we're still a small spot of a waiting game. And I don't moreover person a day to show you erstwhile Treasury is going to travel retired pinch it. The PTC has travel into play for nan first clip successful Cal 24. Obviously, companies for illustration ours hedge successful beforehand of that. So I'd emotion to person accusation sooner alternatively than later. But different elements of nan IRA do footwear successful 2023. So we person not heard backmost from Treasury, immoderate guidance pinch respect to really they're reasoning astir that nonstop definition.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Got it. And related present pinch their 2nd New Jersey stakeholders. Any update successful nan really you're reasoning astir treating it? There immoderate changes successful that construct, arsenic you deliberation astir for illustration a loop and suspenders of nan national programme here? And we heard immoderate comments from your peers here.

Ralph LaRossa

No, I mean, look, I deliberation nan upshot is that to nan grade that PTC is simply a costs for nan attribute, and ZEC is nan costs for nan attribute, we will nett backmost that magnitude to nan state. And that was successful nan original ZEC authorities that was put together. And truthful I deliberation if that's nett complete nan agelong run, this is going to beryllium a very bully point for New Jersey because nan costs for nan property that's going to thief atomic guarantee that it does person financial backing is going to beryllium borne by nan national authorities alternatively than conscionable New Jersey, and that'll beryllium a affirmative point connected nan bills complete nan agelong run.

Dan Cregg

And I would I would conscionable support that by conscionable saying from a loop and suspenders standpoint, I deliberation thing we do present we beryllium capable and policymakers successful New Jersey would beryllium for adjacent generations. It's not thing that would beryllium loop and suspenders for thing adjacent nan adjacent term.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Got it. Understood what you mean by that. Appreciate that. All right. Excellent. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it. Actually 1 past speedy 1 connected power, conscionable if you don't mind pinch respect to each nan commentary from nan governor's office, etc. are you reasoning astir updating investments astir powerfulness and nan opportunities to maximize worth of those assets here? And we've seen immoderate commentary again, from immoderate of your peers location but again, fixed what's going connected pinch nan governor, etc. I'm conscionable funny if that is moreover much of an opportunity.

Dan Cregg

Yes, I deliberation that was nan PTC and that's successful my opening remarks a small spot location Julian was each astir hey, we perchance do immoderate upgrades to Salem immoderate alteration successful nan substance rhythm astatine Hope Creek and past agelong word hold of nan licenses themselves. Not to mention everybody's talking astir hydrogen element. But we'll talk a small spot much astir that each connected March 10.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Got it. All right. That's what I thought. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Good luck.

Operator

Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Paul Patterson pinch Glenrock Associates. Please proceed pinch your question.

Paul Patterson

Hello bully morning.

Ralph LaRossa

Good greeting Paul.

Paul Patterson

Just really speedy conscionable nan hold of nan licenses. Is that already reflected successful nan depreciation schedule of nan assets?

Ralph LaRossa

No.

Paul Patterson

And really overmuch mightiness that little nan level of depreciation?

Ralph LaRossa

Yes. So nan depreciation runs done 2036, 2040, 2046 for nan New Jersey, and 2053, 2054, for nan Pennsylvania units, and truthful those are presumptive of nan extensions that gets you to those dates. But we've talked astir those 2 things going connected we talked astir is nan imaginable for different hold successful New Jersey. That is not what is successful spot correct now. And also, you whitethorn recall, [indiscernible] constituent had immoderate questions raised by nan NRC astir their existing licence extension, which has not changed what we person done. We judge that that will beryllium restored without immoderate change. And truthful pinch respect to nan incremental 20 years, I don't person a number disconnected nan apical of my caput arsenic to what that would do to us. But we can, that's easy math, I deliberation that's each available. We could get that to you Paul.

Paul Patterson

Okay. Just complete nan years, we've seen different companies admit these depreciation changes because of licence extensions astatine different times. Some do it moreover earlier they record pinch nan NRC. Some do it only erstwhile they get nan NRC is charismatic ruling connected it. Any thoughts astir erstwhile we mightiness spot nan depreciation use show?

Dan Cregg

Yes. I deliberation it's astir apt what we person successful hand, nan extension.

Ralph LaRossa

And Paul fto maine conscionable reiterate what Dan said astir nan timing. You sewage 36, 40 and 46 connected these units. And normally, you would use successful astir 10 years successful advance. So conscionable to benignant of group nan timeframe for you arsenic to erstwhile nan exertion going, we're conscionable talking astir it because it would beryllium wrong nan 5 years of our business plan.

Paul Patterson

Okay, sewage you. Thanks truthful much.

Ralph LaRossa

For nan activity done. Probably not for nan receipt of nan extension.

Paul Patterson

Okay, convey you.

Ralph LaRossa

Sure.

Operator

Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Travis Miller pinch Morningstar. Please proceed pinch your question.

Travis Miller

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question.

Ralph LaRossa

Morning Travis.

Travis Miller

On nan transmission, nan onshore of nan offshore transmission, immoderate update connected solicitations aliases improvement location thing on those lines?

Ralph LaRossa

No. We're waiting connected that arsenic well. I don't expect thing successful nan very adjacent word connected that. I deliberation nan BPU is committed to seeing done nan activity that they've approved truthful far, but we person not. There's nary denotation astatine this constituent connected nan timing of immoderate caller solicitations.

Travis Miller

Okay, is simply a gating facet is nan improvement successful early disconnected for erstwhile aliases would location beryllium further transmission for current?

Ralph LaRossa

I deliberation a bunch of it has to do pinch nan IRA and knowing really nan taxation curen would beryllium for a ligament whether it's a wired it's deemed a generator lead aliases a wired deemed offshore transmission. So erstwhile they get done that process, I deliberation there'll beryllium immoderate amended thought of 5 times.

Travis Miller

Okay, makes sense. And past I said I mentioned astir nan complaint lawsuit astatine nan extremity of nan year. Anything different astir that that would travel retired aliases conscionable emblematic operating costs, superior updates?

Dan Cregg

No, conscionable typical. Okay, that's each I had. Appreciate it.

Ralph LaRossa

Thanks Travis.

Operator

Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Anthony Crowdell pinch Mizuho. Please proceed pinch your question.

Anthony Crowdell

Hey, bully morning, Ralph. Good greeting Dan.

Ralph LaRossa

How are you?

Anthony Crowdell

Good. Just 2 speedy ones, want to travel up from Durgesh’s 2 parter. You talked astir possibly 2 of nan 3 parts you were going to usage to mitigate pension volatility. I deliberation nan 3rd statement didn't talk astir was a pension locator that you're going to inquire for and complaint lawsuit person revenge nan extremity of nan year. Any feedback aliases chat you've had pinch policymakers connected support aliases thing astir that?

Ralph LaRossa

I'll commencement and Dan tin adhd thing he wants to put there. But look astatine nan extremity of nan day, whether it's a tract aliases immoderate different benignant of mechanism, we perfectly scheme to person a speech pinch nan BPU astir that. I'm conscionable very happy pinch nan adjacent word what we were capable to accomplish. And I deliberation nan mixed pinch nan American Water Adjustment aliases system they put successful for them I deliberation nan BPU is recognizing location whitethorn beryllium immoderate worth present for not conscionable for nan companies but for nan customers arsenic good arsenic they look astatine this. So we'll proceed to person a conversation. I won't get tied into a locator aliases system but we'll person a speech astir it. It'd beryllium portion of nan [rare case].

Anthony Crowdell

And past conscionable 1 past housekeeping. If I look astatine nan agelong word EPS maturation complaint 5% to 7%, superior spending drives complaint guidelines to your 6 to 7.5 a flimsy quality there. There is conscionable a quality connected nan book ends there. The maturation astatine nan CFIO.

Dan Cregg

Yes, because nan 5 to 7 is for endeavor and nan complaint guidelines maturation is solely of utility, truthful thing and everything and CFIO is going to beryllium successful there. And past you'll person a small spot of sound arsenic you spell done O&M and different different components. But I deliberation I deliberation they're mostly consistent. You should deliberation astir them that way.

Anthony Crowdell

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Ralph LaRossa

Thanks Anthony.

Operator

Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Paul Fremont pinch Lautenberg Dauman. Please proceed pinch your question.

Ralph LaRossa

Hey Paul.

Paul Fremont

Hey bully morning.

Ralph LaRossa

Good morning.

Paul Fremont

Sort of a speedy mobility connected complaint guidelines growth. You guys I deliberation had a range. But I deliberation astir of nan agelong CapEx looked to beryllium successful nan retired years. So I was wondering really you sewage specified a beardown level of complaint guidelines maturation successful 2022?

Dan Cregg

The only point I tin deliberation of. And I'm trying to construe your mobility a small spot autumn is whether immoderate spot web, it benignant of worked its measurement done nan numbers that could alteration your eventual complaint guidelines arsenic you spell year-to-year.

Paul Fremont

Okay. Also, tin you springiness america cents per stock successful position of what alteration successful pension costs you're assuming successful 2023?

Ralph LaRossa

Yes, versus 22?

Paul Fremont

Yes.

Speaker

At EI. we've fixed a scope of $0.25 to $0.30 for pension and OPEB. And we're correct wrong that range, that benignant of astir nan midpoint of that range. So that's a accordant number. Obviously, EI we were estimating wherever we would travel out, and we didn't spot excessively overmuch movement, either successful markets aliases liking rates that moved america distant from that. So you deliberation astir mediate of that range? I'm successful beautiful bully shape.

Paul Fremont

Okay, but you still sewage nan accounting audit, right? And that didn't alteration nan scope is what you're saying?

Ralph LaRossa

It was assumed we had revenge it astatine that point. And we had commented that we were optimistic that that would travel through. It came done arsenic expected. So it was portion of what we were reasoning astatine nan clip erstwhile we supply nan range.

Paul Fremont

Great. And successful position of hedge guidance, I mean, is location a logic why we haven't seen benignant of 25 hedge guidance for peg power?

Dan Cregg

No we sewage updated done '23 and '24. I mean, portion of nan reply could good beryllium if you want to deliberation astir it this way, Paul, is that we still are awaiting what Treasury is going to do from nan standpoint of, of guidance. And truthful that's going to beryllium an important constituent arsenic we spell forward.

Paul Fremont

Okay, and past past mobility for me. You guys gave a gross separator per megawatt hour. Is location immoderate guidance that you tin supply connected a gross separator per megawatt hr ground for peg powerfulness successful 2023?

Ralph LaRossa

No, I mean, I deliberation we've fixed you nan wide hedge value crossed '23 and characterizes 95% to 100% fair. So I deliberation you'll spot that arsenic we spell done nan quarters.

Paul Fremont

Okay. Thank you very much.

Ralph LaRossa

Thanks Paul.

Dan Cregg

Thanks Paul.

Operator

Our adjacent mobility comes --

Carlotta Chan

We person clip for 1 much question.

Operator

Okay. No problem. And our past mobility comes from nan statement of Sophie Karp pinch KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed pinch your question.

Sophie Karp

Hi. Good morning. Thank you for putting maine successful here. Most of my questions person been answered actually. But possibly I tin conscionable inquire you astir nan state inferior early successful New Jersey. Had fixed nan -- successful nan comments that are coming retired from nan politician and conscionable wide attraction connected electrification. How do you deliberation astir benignant of nan setup that you person going into this? What could beryllium a multi decade trend? Specifically, are your electrical and state territories afloat overlapped successful position of customers? Like wherever immoderate you mightiness suffer arsenic a state business you will summation arsenic an electrical business aliases are they benignant of cannibalized by different utilities? How should we deliberation astir that?

Ralph LaRossa

Yes. So it's a mixed container for america that we person immoderate state only territory, immoderate electrical only territory but [indiscernible] our customers, bulk are combined. So I don't want to opportunity it's a win-win, but it is simply a win-win for america to awesome expense. And because we're focused connected each of our state investments being successful replacement activities, not caller activities, but replacement activities that are going to thief trim methane, we're reasoning those investments will make a ton of consciousness and will continue.

So I really deliberation astir this much from nan standpoint of nan velocity successful which we electrify and nan costs to consumers and really we deliberation astir that. So we'll proceed to thrust that point. We'll beryllium capable to offset a bunch of it pinch nan Energy Efficiency activity that we've started. And we'll continue. We don't talk astir our power ratio programs, half arsenic overmuch arsenic we did successful nan past. But that's because it's conscionable go specified a halfway portion of our business for illustration immoderate different thing other we do.

So I'm reasoning that nan power ratio will thief create much headroom connected nan bill. As we do that for customers nan electrification tin move faster successful those areas, but for immoderate of our municipality centers, nan challenges will stay and we'll person to really activity intimately pinch policymakers not to person sticker daze for everyone successful nan state.

Sophie Karp

Terrific, acknowledgment truthful much. That’s each from me.

Ralph LaRossa

Thanks Sophie.

Carlotta Chan

Thank you.

Operator

And that is each nan clip we person for questions. I would for illustration to move nan level backmost complete to Mr. LaRossa for closing comments.

Ralph LaRossa

Well, convey you. And I conscionable 3 things I want to deed on. One again, our thoughts and prayers to each those who were impacted by nan tragic events that we had present earlier this month. The statement is still dealing pinch that and will proceed for astir apt years to come. But during that time, we person ever talked a batch astir nan modulation and activity here. And I deliberation Ralph Izzo and a number of different group successful nan past, but nary time, immoderate either what I want to do much than now is convey nan full squad and my nonstop reports that person been opinionated present pinch maine and been capable to not only woody pinch nan tragic events, but besides to execute connected a scheme that you heard earlier today. We've accomplished a batch successful a short play of time. We'll proceed to do that. And we'll proceed to build your assurance and look guardant to having that speech pinch you connected March 10 erstwhile we meet pinch you astatine nan banal speech successful New York. Thanks for calling in.

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen this concludes nan teleconference. You whitethorn disconnect your statement astatine this time. Thank you for your participation.

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