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North American Construction Group Ltd. (NYSE:NOA) Q4 2022 Earnings Conference Call February 16, 2023 9:00 AM ET

Company Participants

Joe Lambert - President and CEO

Jason Veenstra - Executive Vice President and CFO

Conference Call Participants

Yuri Lynk - Canaccord

Aaron MacNeil - TD Securities

Rahul Malhotra - CIBC

Tim Monachello - ATB Capital Markets

Bryan Fast - Raymond James

Maxim Sytchev - National Bank Financial

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to nan North American Construction Group Ltd. Fourth Quarter and Year Ended Results Conference Call and Webcast connected Thursday, February 16, 2023.

At this time, each participants are successful a listen-only mode. Following nan management’s prepared remarks, location will beryllium an opportunity for analysts, shareholders and bondholders to inquire questions. The media whitethorn show this telephone successful listen-only mode. They are free to quote immoderate members of management, but they are asked not to quote remarks from immoderate different participants without nan participant’s permission.

The institution wishes to corroborate that today’s comments incorporate forward-looking accusation and that existent results could disagree materially from a conclusion, forecast aliases projection contained successful that forward-looking information.

Certain worldly factors aliases assumptions were applied successful drafting conclusions aliases successful making forecasts aliases predictions that are reflected successful nan forward-looking information. Additional accusation astir those worldly factors is contained successful nan company’s astir caller Management’s Discussion and Analysis, which is disposable connected SEDAR and EDGAR, arsenic good arsenic connected nan company’s website astatine nacg.ca.

I will now move nan convention complete to Joe Lambert, President and CEO.

Joe Lambert

Thanks, Julie. Good morning, everyone, and acknowledgment for joining our telephone today. Similar to erstwhile calls, I americium going to commencement pinch our operational capacity earlier handing it complete to Jason for nan financial overview and past I will reason pinch nan operational priorities, bid pipeline, outlook for 2023 and our superior allocation earlier taking your questions.

On descent three, our trailing 12-month full recordable complaint of 0.53 represents a important betterment from nan commencement of nan twelvemonth and nan Q4 complaint of 0.30 was nan champion 4th of nan year. The 0.53 achieved is somewhat supra our industry-leading target wave of 0.5 and we will beryllium focusing our efforts successful 2023 connected prevention of precocious imaginable wounded events, implementing our progressive information program, auditing captious tasks and further advancing our usage of processing exertion successful areas specified arsenic collision avoidance, fatigue guidance and drone usage for distant information monitoring.

On descent four, we item immoderate of nan awesome achievements of 2022. I americium not going to spell done this database individually, but I would simply summarize that, we resolved our first half issues, executed good connected our wintertime useful programs, safely and efficiently closed retired nan twelvemonth and are focused connected carrying our momentum guardant into 2023 and looking to return advantage of nan opportunities presented successful this continuing beardown request market.

Slide 5 shows nan cumulative financial results for nan twelvemonth and I americium proud to opportunity each 4 of nan noted metrics of revenue, EBITDA, EPS and free rate travel are institution records.

As you tin spot connected nan pursuing descent six, nan inclination for continuing improvements is consistent. More than doubling some EBITDA and EPS successful conscionable 4 years is an awesome gait that we are eager to maintain.

The adjacent 2 slides correspond 2 areas of our business that are cardinal to continuing those affirmative trends.

On descent seven, you will spot we achieved our highest Q4 utilization connected grounds aft conscionable having posted our highest Q3 connected grounds and nan request for our fleet remains high. The Q4 utilization of 75% was straight correlated to accrued attraction manpower and improved fleet mechanical availability.

We expect nan precocious request to stay passim 2023 and continuing into 2024 and beyond. We likewise expect our advancement connected expanding nan attraction labour workforce will straight correlate to continued improvements successful fleet utilization.

Lastly connected this slide, I would conscionable for illustration to constituent retired that, different than nan evident pandemic impacts successful 2020, our diversification efforts complete nan past respective years person delivered into anticipation and demonstrated higher Q2 and Q3 fleet utilization, arsenic we person moved to smaller underutilized portions of our dense instrumentality fleet retired of lipid sands and into different geographies and commodities wherever they person achieved much operating hours. The diversification now built into nan business has removed overmuch of nan seasonality and cyclicality seen successful erstwhile years.

Slide 8 describes our advances successful exertion and represents different area of our business that is cardinal to continuing nan affirmative financial trends. I said earlier astir nan exertion being utilized to amended information and would for illustration to grow present connected our telematics system.

Our telematics strategy is now installed connected astir half of our fleet and it’s connected nan biggest and heaviest half of our fleet. We will proceed adding to nan remaining information of our fleet and mightiness beryllium subsequently looking into our support instrumentality arsenic well.

In 2022, nan telematics strategy straight saved complete $2 cardinal of instrumentality components done proactive interventions and saved an further 1200 hours of attraction labor. We expect these costs and labour savings to astir double successful 2023 pinch afloat twelvemonth monitoring and further assets brought online.

The telematics strategy besides contributes to improved operations done alerts and mapping that place usability behaviors and provides locations complete pinch power maps for alert events and frequency. The telematics programme is really [Technical Difficulty] we build up from our analyses, nan amended we will get successful improving attraction and operations efficiency.

With that, I will manus complete to Jason for nan Q4 financials.

Jason Veenstra

Thanks, Joe. This quarter’s financial reappraisal originates connected descent 10, pinch a fewer of our cardinal capacity indicators. Combined gross of $320 cardinal represented nan highest level of gross this institution has ever had successful a 4th and is simply a measurement alteration for a assortment of reasons that we will concisely touch on.

This gross culminated pinch trailing 12 gross exceeding $1 cardinal and conveniently occurred successful nan past 4th of our fiscal year. The $1.054 cardinal people exceeded our erstwhile institution grounds of $1.016 cardinal but nether a overmuch different separator profile.

From this gross separator perspective, we realized 17.8% successful nan quarter, which is much successful nan scope of what we expect and is based connected nan improved discourse that Joe touched connected and is overmuch discussed passim this quarter’s materials.

Moving to descent 11. On a mixed basis, gross was 36% up of Q4 2022. Revenue generated chiefly by our halfway dense instrumentality fleet was up 30% quarter-over-quarter pinch nan drivers of this summation being equitable contributions from adjusted instrumentality and portion rates arsenic good arsenic improved instrumentality utilization.

In Q4, we had a afloat 4th of revised instrumentality and portion rates, which were updated successful precocious Q3 to bespeak nan inflationary costs pressures knowledgeable successful nan Fort McMurray region.

Equipment operating hours were up complete 15% successful nan 4th and unchangeable operational and attraction headcount yielded utilization of 75%, which was importantly higher than Q3 2021 utilization of 64%.

Vacancy rates related to nan Heavy Equipment Technician roles were dependable successful nan 4th and mixed pinch increases successful third-party vendors were nan superior factors successful nan wide instrumentality utilization achieved.

Wholly owned business lines, chiefly being DGI Trading and nan outer income of instrumentality -- of rebuilt haul trucks, each posted beardown gross successful nan 4th accordant pinch Q4 of past year.

ML Northern acquired connected October 1, 2022, provided a afloat 4th of operations aft a seamless integration.

Our stock of gross generated successful Q4 by associated ventures and affiliates was $87 million, compared to $54 cardinal successful Q4 2021.

Nuna Group of Companies had different coagulated 4th of activity astatine nan golden excavation successful Northern Ontario and nan halfway businesses -- and their halfway businesses operated astatine amended than historical levels.

Of note, though, nan superior drivers of nan summation successful mixed gross included nan continued maturation of topline gross from rebuilt haul trucks now owned by our associated task pinch Mikisew and nan progressively important effect of nan associated ventures dedicated to nan Fargo-Moorhead flood diversion project.

We had our first afloat 4th of building activity astatine nan Fargo task and nan ramp-up of activities remains underway pinch nan task connected fund and schedule successful this very early shape of nan project.

As mentioned earlier, mixed gross profit separator of 17.8% was a quarterly betterment from nan 14.7% we posted past 4th Q3 2022 and reflected beardown operational performances successful nan 4th arsenic our superior operations successful Fort McMurray, Northern Canada and Northern Ontario knowledgeable predictable and productive acold upwind conditions for nan mostly of nan quarter.

Our associated ventures continued their beardown accordant operating margins and nan updated instrumentality and portion rates were cardinal factors for nan Fort McMurray operations returning to humanities separator levels.

Operating margins benefited from nan ML Northern acquisition from some little soul costs arsenic good arsenic beardown separator from services provided to outer customers. The 2nd life rebuild programme commissioned and sold different 240-ton haul motortruck during nan 4th to adjacent retired what was a very successful 2022.

Moving to descent 12. Adjusted EBITDA of $86 cardinal was easy a institution record, beating nan erstwhile grounds by complete 40% arsenic nan measurement alteration successful gross translated to a measurement alteration successful EBITDA connected beardown margins antecedently mentioned.

Included successful EBITDA is nonstop wide and administrative expenses, which were $6.6 cardinal successful nan quarter, predictably identical to Q3 and balanced to 2.8% of nan beardown gross quarter. As always, we pridefulness ourselves connected G&A subject and Q4 was again nary different successful that regard. Going from EBITDA to EBIT, we disbursal depreciation balanced to 12.5% of mixed revenue, which reflected nan depreciation complaint of our full business.

When looking astatine conscionable nan wholly owned entities and our -- and chiefly our dense equipment, nan depreciation percent for nan 4th was 15.5% of gross and reflected an effective usage of our fleet during nan quarter, which incurs a higher grade of idle clip owed to nan colder temperature.

Adjusted net per stock for nan 4th of $1.10 was $0.51 up from Q4 2021 arsenic nan gross improvements translated each nan measurement down to nett income. EPS was driven by $45.7 cardinal of adjusted EBIT, nett of liking and taxes.

The liking complaint for Q4 was 7.1% arsenic we trended up from nan Q4 2021 complaint of 4.7% from nan well-known liking complaint increases.

The gross liking disbursal of $7.8 cardinal should beryllium a precocious watermark for america arsenic we paid down indebtedness precocious successful Q4 and expect rates to beryllium reasonably unchangeable moving forward.

Moving to descent 13, I will summarize our rate flow. Net rate provided by operations of $64 cardinal was produced by nan business pinch nan quality betwixt this fig and nan $86 cardinal of EBITDA being rate liking paid successful nan 4th and nan timing of associated task rate distributions successful narration to nan EBITDA they generate.

Sustaining attraction superior of $26 cardinal was dedicated to attraction of nan existing fleet arsenic we put successful nan fleet that drives our halfway business.

Working superior changes generated rate successful nan 4th arsenic expected. For nan twelvemonth and fixed nan reasonably straightforward quality of nan twelvemonth from a rate perspective, nan usage of our $70 cardinal of free rate travel that was generated tin beryllium easy surgery down into its 3 categories; $44 cardinal related to shareholder activity, chiefly stock purchases and dividends; $13 cardinal connected maturation acquisitions being ML Northern; and $13 cardinal connected nett indebtedness reduction.

Moving to descent 14. Total liquidity is backmost supra $200 cardinal and reflects nan effect of free rate travel procreation successful nan quarter. Net indebtedness levels decreased $52 cardinal conscionable successful nan 4th arsenic $67 cardinal of free rate travel was chiefly dedicated to deleverage pinch nan remainder invested successful ML Northern. Net indebtedness leverage is now astatine 1.5 times and ended nan twelvemonth accordant pinch expectation.

Due to nan timing of rate receipts successful nan past mates of days of 2022, we ended nan twelvemonth pinch $69 cardinal of rate connected hand, which is higher than our targeted equilibrium of betwixt $15 cardinal and $20 million.

On a trailing 12-month basis, our elder leverage ratio, arsenic calculated by our in installments installation dropped to 1.5 times, but did not use from this precocious rate equilibrium and coincidentally is astatine nan aforesaid level arsenic nett indebtedness leverage.

I will concisely extremity connected descent 15, which includes ROIC and return connected equity. In particular, we are proud of nan ROIC metric of 13.0%, which quantitatively showcases our nonsubjective to prudently and profitably leverage some our instrumentality fleet and our expertise.

And pinch those summarized financial comments, I will walk nan telephone backmost to Joe.

Joe Lambert

Thanks, Jason. Looking astatine descent 17. This descent summarizes our priorities for 2023. I person antecedently discussed our leveraging of exertion shown successful point two, but wanted to item nan different 3 areas that will beryllium peculiarly important to advancement successful 2023.

The first area of attraction and halfway to our civilization and values is our ongoing efforts to guarantee each and each 1 of our labor return location safely astatine nan extremity of each workday. I mentioned earlier really we are utilizing exertion to amended information done implementation of collision avoidance systems, fatigue monitoring and utilizing drones for assessing and monitoring distant activity areas.

With that said, we are likewise focusing connected nan workforce. We consciousness our increasing workforce requiring accrued caller hires and an manufacture proviso debased extremity acquisition will beryllium champion served pinch an accrued attraction connected further processing our beforehand tally supervision and expanding our greenish manus training programs.

Jumping complete point 3 to point four, we proceed to prioritize expanding our skilled trades workforce. NACG has an extended and broad programme to grow some our Acheson and section based attraction workforce.

We person likewise utilized our procurement squad to bring further vendors from different provinces and countries to support our attraction needs arsenic nan existing vendors and OEMs person struggled to support nan accrued manufacture demand.

There’s a descent successful nan appendix connected page 31, which we person expanded to show some NACG and vendor attraction workforce numbers for those liking successful seeing really we person built up nan skilled waste and acquisition workforce complete time.

The ongoing privilege will beryllium to proceed adding to some soul and vendor capacity until we person maximized our mechanical readiness and fleet utilization, and past continuing hiring and training internally to switch higher costs vendors.

As stated previously, we expect our advancement connected expanding nan attraction labour workforce will straight correlate to continued improvements successful fleet utilization and nan opportunity to consistently execute 75% to 85% utilization.

Last but not least, point 3 describes our prioritizing of winning bids and achieving our target of greater than $2 cardinal successful backlog by nan extremity of nan year, which is simply a awesome modulation to our adjacent descent 18.

Slide 18 highlights nan continuing beardown request and progressive task tenders. In Q4, we were awarded a mates of projects for our Nuna business totaling conscionable complete $40 cardinal for activity connected a golden excavation successful BC and immoderate roadworks successful nan Northwest territories.

We are likewise starting to spot accrued bidding activity successful lipid sands. Two projects of statement successful lipid sands are first, our anticipation that nan ample location lipid sands five-year scope will beryllium retendered successful precocious Q1 for apt grant successful Q3. We proceed to expect to triumph our adjacent stock of nan ample reddish dot, location lipid sands tender and look guardant to seeing nan updated tender package and activity scopes.

Second tender of statement successful lipid sands is an approximate $75 cardinal scope for fueling and servicing lipid sands customer’s instrumentality fleet complete nan adjacent 5 years and represents our first awesome tender of our recently acquired ML Northern Equipment Servicing business moving nether our Mikisew partnership.

We judge we person a bully chance of winning this activity and continuing to grow our ML Northern business, while simultaneously utilizing our skills internally to little our instrumentality servicing costs and amended efficiency.

Last point of statement is that we person what we judge are 4 people opportunities extracurricular lipid sands, which are nan 4 precocious near bluish dots, which we judge would fresh nan timing for our fleet transitioning from our Northern Ontario Gold Mine business pinch Nuna.

We look guardant to having different bluish dot triumph extracurricular lipid sands complete nan adjacent quarter, which will proceed our diversification occurrence and perchance connection immoderate upside to our forecasted smaller fleet utilization.

On descent 19, our backlog sits astatine $1.3 cardinal and we proceed to replenish and triumph our adjacent stock of activity crossed each assets sectors. What I proceed to judge is nan cardinal takeaway connected this descent is that our backlog is astir proportionate to our diversification target, demonstrating some assurance and sustainability of our diversification efforts. Lastly, connected backlog, we proceed to person anticipation of exceeding $2 cardinal earlier nan twelvemonth is out.

On descent 20, we person provided our enhanced outlook for 2023. With our beardown Q4 results, advancement connected priorities and carrying immoderate of that momentum into nan New Year, we person been capable to modestly summation nan midpoint for a mates of our cardinal financial metrics.

We person had a awesome wintertime activity play truthful acold and are decidedly looking to proceed to build connected our occurrence and hit moreover this enhanced outlook. But it is early days, and our mediate 2 quarters mostly transportation nan highest consequence connected fleet utilization.

I cognize I will get nan mobility connected -- excuse me, really our quarters break retired successful nan Q&A, truthful I will usage our EBITDA arsenic an illustration here. Our EBITDA is astir adjacent betwixt nan first half and 2nd half of nan year, pinch Q1 being our largest and astir 30% of yearly EBITDA and Q4, usually 2nd largest, but conscionable somewhat higher than Q3.

As I stated successful my missive to shareholders, superior allocation is ever a cardinal privilege for NACG and our free rate travel scope of $85 cardinal to $105 cardinal provides america pinch nan elasticity to measure each 4 options of deleverage, stock repurchases, dividends and acquisitions.

Our first step, which we announced yesterday was to summation our dividend by 25%. Deleverage is nan existent evident adjacent attraction pinch our superior -- pinch our costs of superior expanding pinch liking complaint hikes.

As I person said galore times, our superior allocation decisions are continuously analyzed and we will, of course, redirect rate travel to stock purchases aliases maturation opportunities, if they supply superior returns to our shareholders.

On slides 21 and 22, we supply a spot of superior allocation successful history and trends, which we spot you will work together has been disciplined, shareholder-friendly and prudent. Over nan past fewer years, we person been reasonably accordant pinch our NCIB programs arsenic nan net outlooks we person communicated person mostly not correlated to nan worth of our shares.

And finally, connected descent 23, I’d for illustration to item and supply nan nexus for sustainability report, which was besides released yesterday. I really for illustration nan guidance our sustainability activity has taken pinch a attraction connected tangible measurable advancement and look guardant to reporting backmost adjacent twelvemonth connected our continued progress.

In closing, I’d conscionable for illustration to convey nan awesome squad I person present astatine NACG for each your efforts and support successful helping america execute these grounds yearly financial results successful a challenging economical environment.

With that, I will unfastened it up for immoderate questions you whitethorn have.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first mobility comes from Yuri Lynk from Canaccord. Please spell ahead.

Yuri Lynk

Good morning, guys. Great quarter.

Joe Lambert

Thanks, Yuri.

Yuri Lynk

Just connected nan utilization, I deliberation you said, you are targeting 75% to 85%. So should we deliberation astir that arsenic nan seasonally weaker quarters are astatine nan little extremity of that scope and quarters for illustration Q4 could beryllium towards that mid-80s level. Is that nan measurement to deliberation astir it for this year?

Joe Lambert

It’s surely getting to that constituent wherever we are consistently successful that range. I would expect nan Q4 and Q1 to beryllium connected nan higher extremity and nan Q2 and Q3 is connected nan little extremity of that range. And that’s really what we request to show successful this Q2 and Q3 is that we tin get into nan little ranges of that.

Yuri Lynk

Okay. And that’s -- nan main driver location is that mini fleet of building instrumentality that’s exited nan lipid sands, is that right? And wherever person you put that to work, for illustration is it connected benignant of small- and medium-sized jobs aliases is it connected larger?

Joe Lambert

It’s -- I’d divided it into a fewer things, Yuri. It’s -- there’s still 100-ton, 150-ton trucks successful lipid sands that enactment very engaged during nan wintertime that person not successful nan past half a twelve years had precocious utilization during summertime civilian construction. So during nan winter, they are usually very good engaged successful reclamation activities, but historically, it slows down successful summer.

And past successful summation to that, our advancement connected utilization extracurricular of lipid sands, which really is -- we are forecasting nan completion of nan Northern Ontario Gold job, and pinch that, we person sewage that fleet transitioning. And I’d say, conservatively, we person it coming retired of that excavation and going into lipid sands and having little utilization, and obviously, a play of non-use while it’s demobing and being transported. So location is upside opportunity connected those assets arsenic well.

Yuri Lynk

Okay. Suncor is retired location talking astir looking to trim their contractor headcount aliases usage of contractors for a assortment of reasons. But is that an opportunity for you guys aliases a threat aliases really do you deliberation astir that?

Joe Lambert

We haven’t seen that coming successful nan earthworks side. So I conjecture our impression, Yuri, that it’s mostly happening connected works tract broadside and they are consolidating vendors, which makes a batch of sense.

We person sewage a batch of activity consolidated successful nan earthwork tract already. So I don’t deliberation this is an area that they are looking to trim contractors. And from what we spot successful nan request and nan measurement request side, we don’t spot immoderate simplification successful that request for a agelong time.

Yuri Lynk

Okay. I will time off it there, guys. Thank you.

Joe Lambert

You bet.

Operator

Your adjacent mobility comes from Aaron MacNeil from TD Securities. Please spell ahead.

Aaron MacNeil

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Joe…

Joe Lambert

Good morning, Aaron.

Aaron MacNeil

Hey. If I comparison your Q4 descent platform pinch nan Q3 one, it looks for illustration that ample lipid sands bid sewage pushed retired a mates of quarters, americium I correct successful interpreting that correctly and really should…

Joe Lambert

It -- erstwhile I would -- it was really -- it’s expected to beryllium put connected nan commencement dot and we put it connected nan tender dot successful nan erstwhile one. So it -- these contracts tally done nan extremity of 2023. So nan dot was ever expected to beryllium connected January 1, 2024. So nan dots are expected to beryllium erstwhile nan activity commences. And truthful it hasn’t -- that broadside of it hasn’t changed. We conscionable made a correction wherever we put it successful Q3.

Aaron MacNeil

Yeah. No problem.

Joe Lambert

And nan tender process has pushed retired from past twelvemonth to this year, but obviously, there’s plentifulness of clip to person it awarded earlier adjacent year.

Aaron MacNeil

And I conjecture conscionable arsenic a speedy follow-up connected that, really overmuch of that activity would beryllium for illustration activity you presently person versus incremental work?

Joe Lambert

I’d opportunity astir apt half of it is activity we are presently doing. The quality being that, obviously, correct now, our backlog reflects 1 twelvemonth near of it and this would beryllium 5 years of -- truthful we are going to highest successful each rhythm of 5 years successful backlog pinch those lipid sands awards and past they are going to activity their measurement down complete nan 5 years and past get awarded again. So we are benignant of astatine nan debased level of our backlog correct now and that awarded that work. And I’d say, probably, half that is what we are presently doing.

Aaron MacNeil

Got it.

Joe Lambert

And nan different -- but not activity that we person 5 years of scope connected activity we are doing this year, I’d say. Is that clear, Aaron?

Aaron MacNeil

Yeah. No. That’s perfect. Joe, you mentioned successful your prepared remarks that, Q2 and Q3 person nan astir uncertainty astir utilization. You are guiding to a comparatively level year, adjacent twelvemonth connected a year-over-year basis. There’s evidently immoderate puts and takes. So I thought it mightiness beryllium a bully opportunity for america to benignant of conscionable get a spot much discourse astir nan various moving parts, for illustration from what I tin deliberation of, I americium judge there’s different ones, too, but you person had nan antagonistic effect of ostentation successful 2022 versus 2023. You person sewage a afloat twelvemonth of Fargo-Moorhead successful 2023, and past offsetting that, you person sewage nan possibly nan antagonistic effect to nan Côté Project successful 2023. So, I guess, could you framework really worldly each 3 of those impacts are and then...

Joe Lambert

I deliberation you person almost vanished answering your ain mobility there.

Aaron MacNeil

I just…

Joe Lambert

That’s precisely what I would person said is that, wherever we spot that Côté fleet, there’s really opportunity moreover connected nan aforesaid tract and successful nan aforesaid regions that could person awesome improvements connected utilization from forecast. The Fargo-Moorhead ramp up, but it is little risk, little separator activity astatine Fargo, pinch nan large infrastructure work, which I deliberation we person ever said.

And past location are immoderate areas successful projecting nan improvements successful utilization and projecting nan benefits that we are achieving successful telematics, wherever I’d say, we are cautious to task trends that are going very up very quickly without a batch of information points.

And we surely want to get a fewer much dots connected nan representation aliases information earlier we confidently task things higher than wherever we presently are. So I deliberation those are each opportunities that we will spot really retired of Q1 and what we spot happening successful Q2 and get a small person to it.

Aaron MacNeil

Maybe I will inquire nan mobility a spot differently. I americium wondering connected materiality. Like if you return those 3 factors and hide everything else, like, net-net, are those…

Joe Lambert

They would each beryllium positive.

Aaron MacNeil

Okay. So there’s imaginable for upside revisions to your guidance to nan grade that…

Joe Lambert

Yeah. I -- yes. And I -- what I would say, we are -- you person heard maine usage nan word stronger for longer successful nan commodity marketplace. I person been successful mining business for 40 years now. This is nan strongest crossed each commodities from a request broadside and 1 that looks for illustration it’s going to tally a agelong rhythm because of nan EV metals.

Certainly, I person seen -- while we are talking astir energy, coal, met coal, thermal coal, guidelines metals, precious metals, lithium, graphite, this is generational benignant of request rhythm we are seeing successful commodities, surely for my procreation anyways, I person ne'er seen it. And I deliberation that’s an wide driver that gives america assurance that request there, it’s getting nan mechanical readiness and utilization retired of our fleet and executing…

Aaron MacNeil

Okay.

Joe Lambert

…and that’s what we do.

Aaron MacNeil

Thanks, Joe. I will move it over.

Joe Lambert

You bet.

Operator

Your adjacent mobility comes from Jacob Bout from CIBC. Please spell ahead.

Rahul Malhotra

Hi. Good morning. This is Rahul connected for Jacob.

Joe Lambert

Good morning, Rahul.

Rahul Malhotra

Good morning. So I conscionable had a mobility connected 2023 guidance and nan existent backlog. So guidance, if we look astatine nan EBITDA guidance, it implies an betterment complete 2022, but nan backlog levels are little some quarter-on-quarter, year-on-year. If you conscionable talk astir backlog long and whether you expect to usage much from backlog this twelvemonth compared to past year?

Joe Lambert

No. As I stated a mates of times successful nan presentation, we expect our backlog to beryllium complete $2 cardinal by nan extremity of nan year. It’s conscionable a cyclical quality wherever we person sewage a location contract, which is simply a line, 4 main producing sites and they are connected a five-year cycle.

So you are going to person -- you are going to highest each clip they are awarded and complete nan adjacent 5 years, those are going to tie down. So and I americium conscionable talking astir half nan business that’s successful nan lipid sands correct now. So nan diminution quarter-to-quarter would beryllium expected because these contracts are only awarded each 5 years.

As soon arsenic -- we thought it mightiness -- it primitively came retired and looked for illustration it was going to beryllium awarded past year, but because of each nan inflationary pressures and because they can, they pushed it disconnected until this year.

And truthful we expect that to beryllium 5 years of our -- astir 75% of our activity successful lipid sands is going to get committed to a five-year contract. And truthful nan quarter-to-quarter diminution successful backlog from 3 to 4 really didn’t matter. That’s -- each clip aft these awards occur, that’s going to hap successful lipid sands.

And we person had important wins extracurricular moreover for illustration nan large infrastructure task successful nan states, that’s sewage a six and a half twelvemonth operating building successful 29 years of operations and maintenance, that number is conscionable going to tie down complete that six and a half years of building much than thing else. Did that screen disconnected what you are looking for, Rahul?

Rahul Malhotra

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That’s helpful. Thank you. And possibly conscionable connected nan Fargo-Moorhead project. So has that task been afloat ramped up aliases would you opportunity there’s still much runway from a quarterly publication position complete nan adjacent mates of quarters?

Joe Lambert

No. We -- it conscionable -- we conscionable opened it up successful astir September of past year. We conscionable started earthworks, and nan earthworks broadside of it, we will get beautiful adjacent to highest this year. So we will get afloat twelvemonth operating. We had astir a 4th past year. Well, nan afloat twelvemonth publication this year.

And really this twelvemonth and adjacent twelvemonth are getting to wherever we will peak, highest production, highest workforce connected those sites. Generally, it will hap during nan summer, but they tally each twelvemonth long. So they person been operating -- they are operating today, they were operating past week and they will run continuously now for nan adjacent six years.

Rahul Malhotra

Great. And possibly conscionable past 1 for me, truthful erstwhile we look astatine your guidance ranges, I guess, nan mobility is, what determines nan debased and precocious end, and does this presume a comparatively speedy modulation of nan Côté Gold Mine fleet?

Joe Lambert

We person sewage a beautiful blimpish estimate of that fleet coming retired of Côté, taking a reasonable magnitude of clip for proscription and past going into a little utilization aspect. But if we had a very speedy modulation and sewage it into a 24x7 precocious utilization, which is what we would for illustration to do and what [Audio Gap] So it’s not a immense amount. It’s not going to alteration that range.

But there’s a batch of different contributing factors, predominantly our utilization and whether our fleet mechanical availability. As I person told group earlier astir each constituent of utilization is worthy astir $1 cardinal a period successful topline. So continuing to adhd and if you look astatine past year’s averages versus this year, if we tin continually adhd and get amended and get into that scope of 75% to 85%, it will person affirmative impacts going forward.

Rahul Malhotra

Great. Thank you. I will walk it over.

Joe Lambert

Thanks.

Operator

Your adjacent mobility comes from Tim Monachello from ATB Capital Markets. Please spell ahead.

Tim Monachello

Hey. Good morning, guys.

Joe Lambert

Good morning, Tim.

Jason Veenstra

Good morning.

Tim Monachello

Congrats connected blowing nan tile up connected this quarter. It’s been a agelong clip coming.

Joe Lambert

Thanks.

Tim Monachello

I besides sewage to say, you sewage to beryllium speedy connected nan trigger digit to get a mobility successful this queue. These analysts, I don’t deliberation I could triumph successful a duel.

Joe Lambert

Yeah.

Tim Monachello

For immoderate of these guys activity retired [ph]. Anyways, a batch of my questions person been covered off. One of them, though, nan attraction headcount slide, it’s absorbing item that you provided present betwixt third-party vendors and your NACG headcount. It looks for illustration nan spread betwixt that is widening retired a small bit. But it seems to beryllium wrong your humanities range, you made immoderate comments successful your prepared remarks that you are hoping to ramp some of those 2 lines higher and past effort to adjacent nan spread fundamentally and person aliases conscionable benignant of trim nan magnitude of third-party vendors. Where would you for illustration to spot that ratio of NACG headcount to third-party vendors and what could that mean to your separator floor plan if you were to adjacent that gap?

Joe Lambert

I don’t cognize if I person calculated that one, Tim. I could return a stab astatine it. But we would astir apt want a bully 90% of that workforce to beryllium our ain internally. We person ever sewage immoderate astir mostly you want for immoderate benignant of warranty work, arsenic good arsenic immoderate method support, if you request it. And I’d person to beryllium down pinch Jason to cipher that number.

But outer guys are astir apt astir doubly arsenic overmuch arsenic soul guys successful nan disbursal side. You are carrying obviously, a batch of different company’s costs and overheads successful not conscionable nan nonstop labour and they are not doing it for free also.

So we person been good. We person dropped them retired erstwhile we person needed to. Obviously, you will spot during nan pandemic. Last year, it dropped because they couldn’t springiness america guys. That’s what that trough is and we had to build up much vendor support conscionable to get to wherever we needed to. But arsenic we summation our ain and attack that precocious utilization, past we will commencement pulling vendors out.

Tim Monachello

Okay. Got it. And, obviously, it doesn’t look for illustration it’s overmuch of an rumor anymore having trying to staff. So possibly you tin conscionable put successful context, like, what does nan marketplace look for illustration now for dense instrumentality mechanics compared to what it looked for illustration successful nan mediate of 2022?

Joe Lambert

All right.

Tim Monachello

And is location any…

Joe Lambert

Yeah.

Tim Monachello

…growth that you weren’t capable to complete successful Q4 conscionable fixed mechanical instrumentality availability?

Joe Lambert

We could person done more. I’d opportunity that we weren’t anyplace adjacent nan apical extremity of our mechanical readiness of our fleet moreover pinch that utilization and we had request that would person kept each portion present moving that we could get moving and we could put operators.

It’s not over, Tim, and this is not going to beryllium an rumor that moreover goes distant successful years’ time, because this is going to beryllium an ongoing rumor of skilled trades successful Canada and that’s nan measurement we are looking astatine this. This isn’t a seasonal. This isn’t a year. This isn’t a cycle.

We are changing nan measurement we do this business and looking astatine really we do our premises, looking into really we bring successful vendors, really we bring much instrumentality down present and do much activity successful location shops that we tin get much group at, continuing to grow our facilities.

This is going to beryllium thing that is simply a agelong time, we will beryllium talking astir it 10 years from now, because it’s not going to get easier and we decidedly want to beryllium connected nan starring separator of this, because it’s -- arsenic you person seen, it drives utilization and utilization is cardinal to our business.

Tim Monachello

Okay. That’s great. One different point that I wanted to touch on, I think, Yuri asked astir it was conscionable astir that utilization scope that you are alluding to successful nan 75% to 85% scope and reasoning that you mightiness beryllium capable to get to nan bottommost extremity of that scope successful Q2, and historically, your Q2 has benignant of maxed retired astir nan 60% scope successful position of 60% to 65% scope successful position of utilization. How do you get that other 10 points of utilization successful Q2 successful nan lipid sands?

Joe Lambert

Well, it’s readiness of our large motortruck fleet that we cognize we person request connected is nan biggest driver. That’s nan 1 we tin control. And past what we are looking for is immoderate accrued request connected nan smaller extremity of nan fleet pinch accrued civilian building useful complete nan summertime and those are nan drivers. So we sewage to person nan request first and past it’s successful our hands to make nan instrumentality disposable and put operators successful nan seat.

So we person nan request connected nan large instrumentality year-round. We are looking to spot if there’s increases further successful nan mini worldly aliases moreover moving immoderate of that extracurricular of lipid sands again to amended utilization and past it’s up to america to execute connected nan attraction and nan attraction readying to get mechanical readiness complete and supra what our needs are there.

So it’s -- that’s why I said committing to those benignant of numbers and projecting it, we sewage to put a fewer much runs connected nan board. You can’t tie a statement pinch a azygous information point, we request a few. And I americium very pleased pinch really we person progressed and we person exceeded our expectations truthful far.

But there’s a batch of moving parts successful this, and Q2 and Q3 will beryllium awesome tell-tell signs if we tin get into that scope and moreover connected nan debased extremity successful those quarters. I consciousness a batch much assured projecting it twelvemonth round.

Tim Monachello

Where would utilization beryllium successful Q1 truthful far?

Joe Lambert

We are successful nan 70s.

Jason Veenstra

Actually, we are successful nan precocious 70s.

Joe Lambert

I mean that’s -- again you are talking Q1 and that’s a January number. So it’s continuing from wherever it was successful December.

Tim Monachello

Okay. That’s really helpful. And past what would beryllium nan utilization that you are assuming for nan twelvemonth successful your guidance range?

Joe Lambert

I don’t person that number disconnected hand. I’d person to get backmost to you, Tim.

Tim Monachello

Okay. No worries there. And past nan different mobility that I had was conscionable astir nan free rate travel guidance. I noticed that there’s a $25 cardinal deferral. I deliberation that has to do pinch conscionable benignant of distributions from nan Fargo-Moorhead task and past it wasn’t added backmost aliases it seems benignant of level from -- successful 2023 from 2022. So I americium funny like, if you were to see nan rate being held successful nan Fargo task aliases immoderate of your JVs is not being distributed, really overmuch free rate travel -- what would this free rate travel floor plan look for illustration for nan full business year-over-year?

Jason Veenstra

I tin return that one, Tim. It’s a spot of a loaded question. I don’t cognize if you are asking to normalize 2022. But, yeah, betwixt $20 cardinal and $25 cardinal is nan effect we person seen betwixt net and past rate distributed. So whether you want to adhd that $20 cardinal aliases $25 cardinal to 2022 aliases 2023 is up to nan reader.

I would opportunity for 2023 purposes successful our range, arsenic you noted, we near nan scope nan same. We person modestly accrued benignant of nan halfway business rate procreation and past kept nan anticipation from our JVs nan aforesaid arsenic we had planned retired successful October of past year.

So we person near it nan same. We understand nan volatility of JV distributions and we are successful nan benignant of $40 cardinal to $45 cardinal of distributions coming from nan JVs. That was our anticipation past quarter, continues to beryllium our expectation. If we are -- if nan JVs are capable to transcend that, we would spot upside.

But clearly, pinch nan effect we had successful 2022, we didn’t want to complete committedness for 2023. And truthful $85 cardinal to $105 cardinal is still a very beardown rate travel procreation and different measurement alteration successful our superior allocation flexibility, but location intelligibly is volatility pinch free rate flow.

Tim Monachello

No. Absolutely. I americium conscionable trying to benignant of understand better, I guess, nan underlying operational free rate procreation of nan business alternatively than and I understand -- and why you would only talk astir nan distributions retired of nan JV, but I deliberation from a -- to understand nan worth proposition here, we request to understand nan rate travel -- rate generating facet of those JVs arsenic well, truthful that’s what I was trying to touch on. Anyway, I will move it backmost and acknowledgment very overmuch for nan details.

Joe Lambert

Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

Your adjacent mobility comes from Bryan Fast from Raymond James. Please spell ahead.

Bryan Fast

Yeah. Good morning, guys.

Joe Lambert

Good morning, Bryan.

Bryan Fast

Just connected nan ostentation adjustments midway done nan year. Is it safe to opportunity that that was afloat reflected successful Q4 aliases is location immoderate lag there?

Jason Veenstra

It was afloat reflected successful Q3 already, Bryan. So, yeah, there’s nary lag and nary lag aliases retro successful Q4 either, so.

Bryan Fast

Okay. Thanks. And past I admit nan colour connected nan telematics, but are you capable to quantify possibly nan returns aliases payback comparative to your investments conscionable connected that installation?

Joe Lambert

I’d opportunity it’s already -- savings already transcend costs operating moreover successful its first year, past twelvemonth and we expect that to continue. I deliberation that we would expect it to double this twelvemonth and we aren’t adding immoderate group aliases cost. The operating costs per instrumentality hr is little than what we had forecasted and nan savings are higher. So and it pays for itself very quickly.

Bryan Fast

Okay. That’s it for me. Appreciate nan color.

Jason Veenstra

Thanks, Bryan.

Operator

Your adjacent mobility comes from Maxim Sytchev from National Bank Financial. Please spell ahead.

Maxim Sytchev

Hi. Good morning, gentlemen.

Joe Lambert

Good morning, Max.

Maxim Sytchev

Just a mates of speedy ones for me, if I may. Joe, I guess, do you mind providing a spot of colour connected your first cognition astir Fargo, really that’s ramping up benignant of immoderate changes? I deliberation you made immoderate comments a number of months ago, for illustration successful position of really ostentation could beryllium perchance impacting nan economics. Just wondering if you person immoderate refreshed mathematics as, obviously, immoderate of nan things person normalized. So, yeah, possibly immoderate colour connected that, please?

Joe Lambert

Sure. It’s ramping up well. We person been hitting our productivity numbers. We peaked for nan twelvemonth coming up successful nan summer. But connected nan earthwork side, which is what’s being executed correct now, it’s progressed very well.

So instrumentality and group and everything is moving fine. We will commencement getting into immoderate of nan span activity pinch our partners. We don’t really execute that broadside of it, but our partners will beryllium coming up this summertime and commencing that.

We did our first benignant of forecast reviews and wherever we were connected ostentation and nan impacts connected our consequence assessments and those first items said that nan increases incurred were wrong our consequence matrix, and we are covered disconnected by that and that our task margins and schedule remained intact.

And our adjacent -- will astir apt beryllium towards nan extremity of this year, opening successful adjacent year, wherever we do benignant of nan full-on, full-blown forecast of nan full occupation for nan first clip aft everything has commenced and that will beryllium our first existent trial of really did nan task beryllium versus really it’s being executed, and hopefully, we person immoderate affirmative impacts pinch our -- what we spot successful our earthwork broadside complete nan summertime and we are capable to hit our targets successful nan large ramp up nan twelvemonth this year.

So I conjecture it’s a stay-tuned benignant of a message, but nan different broadside of it is we person gone done and modeled that inflationary pressures successful and we haven’t seen a simplification successful our expected task margins.

Maxim Sytchev

Okay. Super helpful. Thank you truthful much. And past past question, pertaining much to superior allocation and immoderate of nan earlier comments, Joe, that you made astir benignant of EV artillery metals and really it’s specified a robust market. Do you mind maybe, I mean, coating a spot of a image successful position of really that perchance could fresh benignant of nan penchant for M&A aliases conscionable possibly immoderate colour from that perspective? Thanks.

Joe Lambert

There -- to put immoderate colour connected erstwhile you look astatine that bid representation and those dots connected that map, nan bluish dots and there’s immoderate importantly ample ones. Those are areas of robust ore, copper, nickel, golden and opportunities that we spot that person -- what we thin to telephone a precocious spell triumph percent that they are going to spell guardant and that we person a bully opportunity to triumph them.

So from a bidding perspective, nan activity extracurricular of lipid sands successful nan different commodities been arsenic beardown arsenic we person seen it. We proceed to look astatine different markets astir nan world for M&A opportunities and that’s erstwhile we will look astatine -- and this fits successful conscionable pinch nan wide superior allocation, Max.

Obviously, we addressed our dividend. We are looking astatine nan indebtedness because of nan precocious liking rates, but we besides spot immoderate opportunities successful nan M&A side. Obviously, we person had occurrence successful vertically integrated bolt-ons for illustration ML Northern and DGI. Those person been awesome worth and we spot them continuing to be.

So if opportunities travel up for illustration that and they are awesome returns aliases moreover nan bigger ones do, we are going to prosecute them, and we person consistently seen nan mini ones and we do deliberation there’s immoderate opportunities for immoderate bigger ones that person historically struggled to beryllium accretive. But if -- they person to person nan returns we are looking for, otherwise, we are going to look astatine deleveraging, which there’s thing incorrect pinch that either, right?

Maxim Sytchev

Yeah. No. Absolutely. And maybe-- 1 possibly providing a spot of benignant of read-through connected really nan expectations of sellers changed aliases possibly not complete nan past benignant of 9 months, has it been fixed aliases person you seen benignant of a reset of expectations connected that broadside arsenic well?

Joe Lambert

Yeah. I don’t cognize if I person ever seen thing accordant successful that respect anyways. I deliberation it’s opportunistic. You find sellers successful nan correct spot astatine nan correct clip erstwhile you are looking astatine something.

So I conscionable deliberation we recovered awesome fits and timing pinch sellers connected our DGI and our ML Northern and awesome fits successful those cultures. They person made for highly soft integration into our business and those -- I wouldn’t telephone those normal. I deliberation it’s conscionable been a awesome opportunistic setup for us. But each seller is simply a small different, and I don’t deliberation there’s a accordant inclination there.

But erstwhile we spot opportunities wherever nan integration of nan business and nan civilization and there’s synergy and there’s opportunities to study from 1 different and turn disconnected each other, they thin to beryllium nan ones that supply nan champion financial broadside arsenic well.

So that’s what we look for is things that vertically merge successful our business, person a bully return for us, thief america little our costs, while giving america opportunity to grow successful outer services aliases different businesses akin to us, we deliberation we tin summation our diversification geographically and successful commodity and customers and person bully accretion numbers. Those are nan ones we are looking for.

Maxim Sytchev

Yeah. Makes consciousness and I admit each nan comments. Thanks truthful much.

Joe Lambert

No worry. Thanks, Max.

Jason Veenstra

Thanks, Max.

Operator

This concludes nan Q&A conception of nan telephone and I will walk nan telephone complete to Joe Lambert, President and CEO, for closing remarks.

Joe Lambert

Thanks, Julien, and thanks, everyone. I really admit you joining america coming and look guardant to talking to you again adjacent quarter.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your convention for today. We convey you for joining and inquire that you please disconnect your lines. Thank you.

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