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LGI Homes, Inc. (NASDAQ:LGIH) Q4 2022 Earnings Conference Call February 21, 2023 12:30 PM ET

Company Participants

Josh Fattor - Vice President, Investor Relations

Eric Lipar - Chief Executive Officer and Chairman

Charles Merdian - Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Conference Call Participants

Michael Rehaut - JPMorgan

Truman Patterson - Wolfe Research

Carl Reichardt - BTIG

Jay McCanless - Wedbush Securities

Alex Barron - Housing Research Center

Operator

Hello and invited to LGI Homes Fourth Quarter 2022 Conference Call. Today’s telephone is being recorded and a replay will beryllium disposable connected nan company’s website astatine www.lgihomes.com. After managements prepared comments, location will beryllium an opportunity to inquire questions. I’ll now move nan telephone complete to Josh Fattor, Vice President of Investor Relations. You whitethorn begin.

Josh Fattor

Thanks and bully afternoon. I’ll punctual listeners that this telephone will incorporate forward-looking statements including management’s views connected LGI Homes’ business strategy, outlook, plans, objectives and guidance for 2023. Such statements bespeak management’s existent expectations and impact assumptions and estimates that are taxable to risks and uncertainties that could origin management’s expectations to beryllium to beryllium incorrect.

You should reappraisal our filings pinch nan SEC, for a chat of nan risks, uncertainties, and different factors that could origin existent results to disagree from those presented today. All forward-looking statements must beryllium considered in-light of those related risks and you should not spot undue reliance connected specified statements, which bespeak management’s existent viewpoints and are not guarantees of early performance.

On this call, we’ll talk non-GAAP financial measures that are not intended to beryllium considered successful isolation aliases arsenic a substitute for financial accusation presented successful accordance pinch GAAP. Reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to nan astir comparable measures prepared successful accordance pinch GAAP tin beryllium recovered successful nan property merchandise we issued this greeting and successful our yearly study connected Form 10-Q for nan fiscal year-ended December 31, 2022 that we expect to record pinch nan SEC later today. This filing will beryllium accessible connected nan SEC’s website and successful nan Investor Relations conception of our website.

I’m joined connected today’s telephone by Eric Lipar, LGI Homes’ Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of nan Board; and Charles Merdian, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.

I’ll now move nan telephone complete to Eric.

Eric Lipar

Thanks, Josh. Good afternoon, everyone and invited to our 2022 net call. In mentation for today's call, we took a look astatine past year's commentary and it's singular what a quality a twelvemonth makes. When we said past February, we were talking astir complete 10,000 closings, phones ringing disconnected nan hook, waiting lists of group wanting to buy, investors lining up to acquisition aggregate homes. In fact, request was truthful strong, we turned disconnected marketing. And we made it clear astatine that time, we are taking advantage of nan precocious request situation because we knew it wouldn't past and it didn't.

2022 was a overmuch different year. Let's look astatine immoderate of nan numbers. Home closings past twelvemonth were 6,621. This was not nan extremity we set. And to beryllium frank, we were disappointed we missed our guidance moreover by specified a constrictive margin. We're successful nan affordable lodging business and during nan year, affordability sewage constrained. Supply concatenation tightened, costs inflated, and location prices went up.

Beginning successful January, owe rates started to slow increase, but quickly accelerated arsenic nan twelvemonth went on. By September, they surpassed 6% for nan first clip since November of 2008. One period later, rates exceeded 7% for nan first clip successful complete 20 years. As affordability tightened, buyers paused and nan marketplace decelerated. And arsenic it did, we sewage backmost to basics. We expanded our marketing. We sewage backmost to training.

We had to activity for each sale. We invested clip and resources to make definite our group were connected process, building, selling, and closing homes nan LGI way. As a result, we had a number of notable achievements past year. For example, let's talk astir absorptions. For nan ninth consecutive year, we averaged astatine slightest six closings per community, per month, an manufacture starring consequence that demonstrates nan occurrence of our systems, processes, and people.

Going deeper here, our number 1 marketplace past twelvemonth was Dallas Fort Worth pinch 11 closings per organization per month. San Antonio was 2nd pinch 9.3. Third was Charlotte pinch 9.1. Houston delivered 8.8. And rounding retired nan apical 5 was Raleigh pinch 7.9 closings per organization per month. Congratulations to nan teams successful these markets and your outstanding results.

We vanished nan twelvemonth astatine nan high-end of nan guidance we issued past 4th pinch 99 progressive communities. We delivered 1 of our astir profitable years ever. Our gross separator for nan full-year was complete 28% and adjusted gross separator was complete 29%. Our pretax separator was much than 18% and our nett income separator was much than 14%. Each of these metrics represents a caller full-year institution record.

On nan inventory side, we reduced our full owned and controlled tons by almost 22% and arsenic we projected connected our past call, we correct sized our completed and successful advancement inventory to align pinch request and ended nan twelvemonth pinch astir 3,300 homes. We focused connected rate travel and preserving capital, ending nan twelvemonth pinch a nett indebtedness to superior ratio beneath 40%, representing a 250 ground constituent betterment complete nan 3rd quarter.

While delivering these affirmative results, we still recovered opportunities to springiness backmost to our section communities. On September 22, we held our yearly Service Impact Day, volunteering complete 7,500 hours and contributing much than $260,000 successful support of 61 organizations successful 19 states. We're proud to denote nan completion of nan LGI Homes Education and Visitors Center for nan SIRE Therapeutic Equestrian Centers. This caller installation represents a $750,000 committedness from LGI Homes and is specifically designed to support nan typical needs of SIRE’s riders and their families.

As they're privileged to support SIRE's mission, and we're grateful for nan important activity they're doing successful nan community. The LGI giving inaugural enabled america to make meaningful affirmative impacts crossed nan state past year.

With that, I'll move nan telephone complete to Charles for much specifications connected our grounds financial results.

Charles Merdian

Thanks, Eric. Starting pinch nan 4th quarter, our gross was $488.3 million, a alteration of 39% year-over-year, chiefly owed to a 42.7% alteration successful closings to 1,448 homes and partially offset by a 6.3% summation successful our mean trading value to $337,198. Our mean trading value decreased 4.6% from nan 3rd quarter, owed to incentives and little income prices and to a lesser grade a heavier weighting of closings successful little priced markets successful nan 4th quarter.

We closed 431 homes done our wholesale business successful nan 4th quarter, representing 29.8% of our full closings, compared to 369 homes aliases 14.6% of our full closings successful nan 4th fourth past year. Gross separator arsenic a percent of income successful nan 4th fourth was 20.7%, compared to 26.4% successful nan aforesaid play past year. The 570 ground constituent alteration was owed to incentives and little income prices, arsenic good arsenic higher input costs moving done vertical inventory.

Adjusted gross separator successful nan 4th fourth was 22.1%. Adjusted gross separator excludes $5.4 cardinal of capitalized liking charged to costs of income and $1.4 cardinal related to acquisition accounting together representing 140 ground points. Combined selling, general, and administrative expenses were 12.3% of gross for nan 4th quarter. Selling expenses were $33.3 cardinal aliases 6.8% of revenue, compared to $42.6 cardinal aliases 5.3% of gross successful nan 4th fourth of 2021.

The summation arsenic a percent of revenues was driven by accrued finance successful advertizing and was partially offset by little adaptable expenses specified arsenic income commissions. General and administrative expenses totaled $26.9 cardinal aliases 5.5% of gross successful nan 4th quarter, compared to $27.9 cardinal aliases 3.5% of gross successful nan aforesaid play past year. Pretax income for nan 4th fourth was $46.9 cardinal aliases 9.6% of revenue.

Fourth 4th nett income was $34.1 cardinal aliases $1.46 per basal stock and $1.45 per diluted share. Highlighting a fewer full-year 2022 results, gross was $2.3 billion, a diminution of 24.4%, chiefly owed to a 36.6% alteration successful closings, offset by a 19.2% summation successful our full-year mean income value to $348,052.

During nan year, we closed 1,233 homes done our wholesale business, representing 18.6% of our full closings and generating $340.6 cardinal successful revenue. We presently expect our wholesale business will correspond betwixt 5% and 10% of our full closings successful 2023.

Our full-year gross separator was 28.1%, and adjusted gross separator was 29.2%, some caller institution records. Combined selling, general, and administrative disbursal were 11.1% for nan full-year. Our pre-tax nett income represented 18.1% of revenue, besides a caller institution record. Our effective taxation complaint past twelvemonth was 21.9% and we estimate our complaint for 2023 will scope betwixt 23.5% and 24.5%. Finally, our nett income was $326.6 cardinal aliases $13.90 per basal stock and $13.76 per diluted share.

Fourth 4th gross orders were 1,431, nett orders were 895, and nan cancellation complaint during nan 4th was 37.5%. Full-year cancellation complaint was 24.4% We ended nan twelvemonth pinch 702 homes successful backlog weighted astatine $252 million.

Turning to our onshore position. At December 31, we owned and controlled a full of 71,904 lots, a alteration of 21.7% year-over-year and 6% sequentially. We ended nan 4th pinch 58,720 owned lots, an summation of 7% year-over-year, but a alteration of 3.1% sequentially. Of our owned lots, 47,857 were earthy onshore aliases onshore nether improvement and astir 30% of those tons were actively being developed astatine year-end. Of nan remaining 10,863 owned lots, 7,555 were vanished vacant lots.

We target astir six months of expected full-year closings successful vertical building astatine immoderate 1 time. During nan quarter, we proceed to merchandise starts astatine a gait chosen to correct size our inventory. And successful nan 4th quarter, we started 646 homes, compared to 1,653 successful nan aforesaid play past twelvemonth and 840 past quarter.

As a result, astatine December 31, we had 3,308 completed homes, accusation centers, aliases homes successful progress. This was a alteration of 19.5% from nan 3rd 4th and aligns our vertical inventory pinch our outlook for 2023 closings. At year-end, we controlled 13,184 lots, a alteration of 64.3% year-over-year and 16.7% sequentially. The alteration was a consequence of pausing our onshore acquisitions activities successful nan 2nd half of nan twelvemonth and our determination to locomotion from deals that nary longer met our criteria aliases wherever we judge akin opportunities mightiness beryllium disposable astatine much compelling values aliases position successful nan future.

Turning to nan equilibrium sheet. We ended nan 4th pinch $32 cardinal of cash, astir $2.9 cardinal of existent property inventory, and full assets of complete $3.1 billion. Total indebtedness astatine nan extremity of nan 4th was $1.1 billion. And our debt-to-capital ratio astatine year-end was 40.5% and our nett debt-to-capital ratio was 39.8% representing sequential improvements of 290 ground points and 250 ground points respectively.

We ended nan twelvemonth pinch $268.6 cardinal of full liquidity, including rate connected manus and $236.6 cardinal disposable to get nether our revolving in installments facility. Similar to past quarter, we paused banal repurchases successful nan 4th fourth focusing alternatively connected maintaining liquidity and investing to create nan onshore that will thrust our organization count growth. We ended nan 4th pinch complete $1.6 cardinal successful full book equity, a 17.7% summation year-over-year and our book worth per stock accrued 20.8% to $70.47 per stock arsenic of December 31.

At this point, I'll move nan telephone backmost complete to Eric.

Eric Lipar

Thanks, Charles. We're pleased pinch our results successful 2022. Not in-spite of nan challenges, but because of them. Tough times uncover what we're made of and I'm proud erstwhile I look astir and spot nan characteristic and committedness of our employees. Our occurrence successful 2022 reflects nan effectiveness of our systems and group and gives america assurance arsenic we caput into 2023.

While news headlines proceed to attraction connected layoffs, we're successful hiring mode. On February 6, we welcomed 106 caller income professionals to our firm office for training. This was our largest income training people to date. We started to spot opportunities connected nan onshore broadside of nan business. For 5 months, we didn't o.k. a deal.

However, successful January and February, we approved 3 caller vanished batch deals that will present closings complete nan adjacent 12 months to 18 months. We're still highly selective connected caller deals and expect that astir of our attraction will beryllium connected processing onshore we already ain to thrust organization count growth.

Our trading squad is doing an unthinkable occupation connecting pinch caller customers. In nan 4th quarter, we generated complete 90,000 leads. And truthful acold successful 2023, it's gotten moreover better. In January alone, we generated much than 50,000 leads averaging complete 500 leads per community. This inclination continued into February.

As a result, our play unit nett income gait complete nan first 8 weeks of nan twelvemonth is up astir 150% complete our play gait successful nan 4th quarter. To framework it successful different way, successful nan first 8 weeks of 2023, we generated 7.2 nett income per community, compared to nan 2.9 nett income we averaged successful Q4.

While we're excited by these achievements, we cognize that a affirmative inclination complete a play of weeks is nary guarantee of a awesome year, truthful we're approaching 2023 pinch tempered optimism and managing our business conservatively. We're matching our vertical inventory to closings. We're moving pinch our waste and acquisition partners and suppliers to trim costs, and we're allocating superior to money our semipermanent growth.

With those points successful mind, here's our existent outlook for 2023. We expect to adjacent betwixt 6,000 and 7,000 homes this twelvemonth astatine an mean income value betwixt $335,000 and $350,000. New communities are coming online, and we expect to extremity 2023 pinch betwixt 115 and 125 progressive trading communities, pinch an further 20% to 30% maturation successful organization count expected successful 2024. We expect full-year gross margins betwixt 21% and 23% and adjusted gross margins betwixt 22.5% and 24.5%.

Finally, we expect that full-year SG&A disbursal arsenic a percent of gross will scope betwixt 11.5% and 12.5% arsenic we put successful advertizing to thrust leads and summation headcount to support our organization count maturation objectives. I'll adjacent by thanking each of our labor for their committedness and enthusiasm this past year. Our affirmative results are impervious of our expertise to successfully negociate done uncertain times. I'm excited astir each that we'll execute together successful 2023.

Now, we'll unfastened nan telephone for questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] Our first mobility comes from nan statement of Michael Rehaut pinch JP Morgan. Your statement is open.

Michael Rehaut

Great. Thanks very much. Appreciate each nan guidance and nan commentary. I wanted to hopefully effort and get a small finer granularity connected really you're reasoning astir nan first quarter. Obviously, if you look astatine your 4th quarter, your gross margins were beneath your fiscal 2023 guidance range. And so, I'm funny if, you know, arsenic you possibly proceed to right-size inventory or, you know, you're successful a small spot of a – you know, nan existent situation whitethorn beryllium a small much challenging, if we should beryllium expecting nan first 4th to beryllium akin to nan 4th fourth and really to deliberation about, you know, gross margins arsenic nan twelvemonth progresses and your assurance aliases what's driving nan position that, you know, things will beryllium improving from 4Q levels arsenic you advancement successful 2023?

Eric Lipar

Yeah. Mike, this is Eric. Great question. And so, yes, we expect Q1 gross margins to beryllium akin to Q4. And erstwhile liking rates spiked up to 7% successful Q4 and our income were slower, we focused connected cash, we focused connected moving nan opinionated inventory. You know, arsenic a spec builder that turns inventory quicker than astir builders, we didn't person arsenic overmuch of a backlog.

So, astir of our backlog had been closed, led to our, you know, record-breaking gross margins for nan year. And past we conscionable request to find nan value associated pinch moving inventory. And a batch of our adjacent group person talked astir that. And that value led to a little gross margin, but besides is moving from a income standpoint.

So, we're really excited astir nan first 7 aliases 8 weeks twelvemonth of income averaging 7.2 unit nett income per community. And we've been raising prices arsenic we go. As our gross separator applies – implies for nan year, we scheme connected raising – expanding gross separator done a operation of some raising prices, and besides nan homes that are closing successful Q4 and besides successful Q1 were built astatine nan astir costly location costs. So, each clip we closed a house, if nan value is nan same, gross margins will beryllium improving.

Michael Rehaut

That's helpful, Eric. I admit it. Makes sense. I guess, secondly, you know, you mentioned nan income gait for nan first 7 – I deliberation it's 7 weeks, correct maine if I'm wrong, truthful acold this year. One of nan views, though, connected – sometimes you're capable to springiness america a small consciousness of really you expect February to style up from a closing standpoint. And, you know, possibly conscionable a small clarity erstwhile you talk astir nan unit income gait aliases nett income pace, obviously, there's a wholesale component, and I was conscionable wondering if nan overall, you know, full consolidated nett income gait is – tin we deliberation of that arsenic a akin type of number?

Eric Lipar

Yeah, nan wholesale component, you know, past year, it was a larger percent of our business. In nan first quarter, we anticipated being astir 10% of our closings, and past we guided to 5% to 10% for nan year. February closings, we expect to adjacent astir 450 for nan period of February. So, a beautiful important summation complete nan 331 from January. And past we expect, you know, these first weeks of nan twelvemonth improving successful March arsenic well, having a bully commencement to nan year.

We said 8 weeks, and nan first week, we're counting nan week ending January 1, I believe, successful our number, which is, you know, moreover made 7.2 moreover much affirmative because of that past week of nan twelvemonth wasn't arsenic strong, but we went up and included that number arsenic well.

Michael Rehaut

Right. Appreciate it. Thanks and champion of luck.

Eric Lipar

All right. Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Thank you. Please guidelines by for our adjacent question. Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Truman Patterson pinch Wolfe Research. Your statement is open.

Truman Patterson

Hey, bully morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Eric, conscionable wanted to travel up connected that gross separator guideline successful your comments astir raising prices. Have you each really been capable to commencement raising prices present early successful nan twelvemonth aliases is location immoderate benignant of, you know, possibly operation of factors you each person pulled backmost connected wholesale?

Eric Lipar

Yeah, location is simply a operation facet successful our gross separator guide. You know, gross margins of last, we'd had to do much discounting successful nan Western United States. So, there's a operation component. We did raise prices successful a number of different communities successful February because we've seen accelerated demand, and we judge we recovered nan value for successful a batch of our communities that has led to accrued absorptions.

And now, you know, astatine 7.2, you know, nett orders per month, that says that we should beryllium raising prices from here. You know, nan large asterisk connected that is what is rates doing? Rates spiked again past week. And I deliberation our raising prices will beryllium successful conjunction of keeping an oculus connected affordability, keeping an oculus connected really rates are doing, keeping an oculus connected nan monthly costs because we are seeing a batch of demand.

We talked astir nan magnitude of leads we're getting, you know, 10,000-plus group each week inquiring astir homeownership. But they request to qualify. And higher rates positive prices makes them much harder to suffice successful immoderate cases.

Truman Patterson

Okay. Got you connected that. And past conscionable for clarity, nan 7 constituent to nett absorption – bid absorption, that's benignant of nan monthly level for January and February, not nan 2 months combined, right? I'm asking because nan midpoint of your 2023 closings guideline of 6,500 implies for illustration 5 closing absorptions per month. I'm trying to understand whether, you know, that metric is capped successful immoderate measurement owed to nan level of developed tons aliases spec readiness you each intentionally, you know, pausing starts successful nan 4th quarter. Anything – immoderate colour location would beryllium helpful?

Eric Lipar

Yeah, I deliberation a mates of points. First, that's nan blended complaint betwixt January and February, nan 7.2. We tin get backmost to you connected what nan quality is, but it's been beardown absorptions unit nett income for some months. The different point I would talk about, successful our guidance, you're correct that guidance implies a slower absorption rate. Hopefully, that's conservative, but we want to beryllium conservative. We don't cognize what rates are going to be. And our gross margin, we scheme connected raising prices, which should slow absorption arsenic we go.

And nan different facet is nan January and February closings, which was based connected 4th fourth income astatine 2.9, will person an impact. So, nan 7.2 income we're starting is going to thief successful February, but person a bigger effect successful March and April, passim nan year. So, blended together is really we came up pinch our closing guidance.

Truman Patterson

Okay. Perfect. Thank you, all.

Eric Lipar

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. Please guidelines by for our adjacent question. Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Carl Reichardt pinch BTIG. Your statement is open.

Carl Reichardt

Thanks. Good morning, everyone, aliases afternoon. Eric, of nan 120 communities astatine nan year-end target, nan midpoint of nan scope you gave, what is your nett openings, nett closings for nan twelvemonth of communities successful your plan?

Eric Lipar

We whitethorn person to get backmost to you connected that, Carl. But conscionable a – looking astatine nan committee successful my office, which you're acquainted with.

Carl Reichardt

Yes, I am.

Eric Lipar

You know. You know, net-wise, we're opening 20, but we're astir apt closing out, you know, 40 to 50. You know, closing retired – opening 40 to 50 and closing retired 20 aliases 30 is astir apt a beautiful meticulous statement.

Carl Reichardt

Okay. Super. Thank you. And past nan – you talked astir raising prices, arsenic you said, and you thought you'd recovered nan value level successful immoderate of your market. Do you person a sense, Eric, arsenic to, you know, astir each in, including incentives and guidelines value cuts, aliases nevertheless you look astatine it, what do you deliberation nan peak-to-trough diminution successful asking value was for LGI?

Eric Lipar

That is simply a awesome mobility because there's a operation constituent there, Carl, truthful whitethorn really get backmost to you connected that. But we are seeing customers prime smaller plans, you know, for nan aforesaid monthly payments. Instead of selecting nan [1,600-square-foot aliases 1,800-square-foot] [ph] house, we're seeing a batch of 1,300- square-foot aliases 1,400-square-foot houses selected aliases purchased.

We're besides moving connected caller level plans that has smaller quadrate footages. That's not a trigger we tin propulsion successful a batch of communities, but immoderate communities are rolling retired smaller quadrate footage plans to thief pinch affordability. So, it's really organization by community. As acold arsenic that absolute trough, we don't person a batch of akin communities pinch akin level plans, but we could astir apt get backmost pinch you connected that.

Carl Reichardt

Okay. And then…

Eric Lipar

I would opportunity 10% to 15% would astir apt beryllium a really bully estimate.

Carl Reichardt

10 to 15. Okay. Super. Thank you. And past conscionable past existent quick. Roughly what percent do you expect Terrata to beryllium of your closings successful 2023?

Eric Lipar

Approximately 5%.

Carl Reichardt

5%. Great. Thanks truthful much. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Please guidelines by for our adjacent question. Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Jay McCanless pinch Wedbush. Your statement is open.

Jay McCanless

Hey, bully afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. So, conscionable want to cheque immoderate mathematics here. If nett orders are moving 7.2 for nan first 8 weeks, and it looks for illustration nett closings aliases closing absorption is moving astir 4 if you blend January and February, is that astir nan correct fall-out complaint that you're taking that galore orders, but you're still seeing a beautiful precocious cancellation complaint connected them?

Eric Lipar

No. No, nan 7.2 is already having nan cancellation there. That's nan nett orders number. The four-ish closings you're talking about, that's because income were slower successful Q4.

Jay McCanless

Okay. So, we should spot – I mean, location is – assuming you deed nan 450 for February, that's an acceleration of almost 1 turn. So, I conjecture that makes sense.

Eric Lipar

Yeah. Yeah.

Jay McCanless

Thank you for clarifying that.

Eric Lipar

We – you know, now that we’re successful nan business of getting monthly guidance, but we should spot March closings astir six to 7 per organization per month.

Jay McCanless

Okay. Great. Thank you. And past I conjecture my adjacent question, if you're looking astatine those nett orders, what percent of those nett orders are caller leads arsenic of 2023 versus group who whitethorn person had to cancel erstwhile rates spiked backmost successful November and now you're getting them backmost into a home?

Eric Lipar

Yeah, a very, very ample percentage. I'd beryllium very comfortable saying 90% are leads that person travel successful very recently, and we waste them wrong 30 days.

Jay McCanless

That's great. And past I conjecture nan different mobility I had, I deliberation you said that you guys bought 3 vanished batch deals during 4Q. I guess, number one, what, if anything, is going to beryllium nan gross separator effect of that? I mean, it's only 3 communities, but – and is location much opportunities now to bargain immoderate vanished batch deals to dress up for, you know, slower conditions successful position of getting your owned onshore developed?

Eric Lipar

Yeah. Well, nan gross separator will beryllium a factor, and that's portion of our guidance connected gross separator based connected historical. We do scheme connected having much vanished batch opportunities, which we forecast a little gross separator than if we're processing successful nan onshore and judge we should make nan developer profit arsenic well. Terrata is going to beryllium a bigger percent of our business, possibly person much opportunities astatine Terrata.

We forecast a little gross separator connected our Terrata business. And it really is simply a question, Jay, of what's going to hap successful nan market. You know, liking rates spiked past week. We'll spot what happens passim nan year. We'll spot really challenging nan marketplace is. I believe, based connected what we're seeing, a batch of builders, peculiarly connected nan backstage side, are struggling correct now.

They are committed to takedown schedules they astir apt don't like. They're renegotiating pinch developers. Their conception sizes are astir apt excessively large. So, that's why we really want to attraction connected clearing immoderate of our inventory, creating immoderate barren powder. We deliberation location tin beryllium tremendous opportunities. And past we're besides reasoning astir nan business long-term.

The much challenging nan marketplace gets successful 2023, nan much opportunity that's going to create for LGI complete nan semipermanent to bargain much deals. If rates spell backmost down, nan marketplace gets better, not arsenic galore opportunities, but obviously, that's amended successful nan short-term.

Jay McCanless

Right. And past conscionable 1 other. Sorry. I conscionable want to sneak this 1 in. You know, could you talk again astir gross margins and what nan factors are for them to beryllium little than nan humanities averages this year? I cognize portion of it is conscionable resetting nan guidelines pricing, but possibly nan apical 3 things that are pushing nan gross margins beneath nan humanities norms for 2023.

Eric Lipar

Yeah. I deliberation nan biggest point is affordability, Jay, and seeing nan value floor. We besides person to woody pinch appraisals and what different builders are doing. I cognize I needfully don't really person nan travel done everybody's gross separator yet, though we judge astir builders are pricing done normalized gross margins aliases beneath to clear immoderate inventory.

Our costs are still very overmuch elevated. They came down from nan peak. But if you comparison our costs to build a house, compared to wherever it was pre-pandemic, it is very overmuch elevated, 30% higher astir from pre-pandemic. So, that's much – a batch much than conscionable modular ostentation that we should see.

Jay McCanless

Got you. Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Eric Lipar

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Please standby for our adjacent question. Our adjacent mobility comes from nan statement of Alex Barron pinch Housing Research Center. Your statement is open.

Alex Barron

Yes. Excuse me. Thank you very much. Yeah, I wanted to inquire astir nan liking incurred versus expense. It is basically, correct now, you know, nan thought that nan magnitude of liking that's going done nan costs of equipment sold will stay akin to what it's been aliases is location a chance that immoderate of nan other liking could travel done nan disbursal statement below?

Charles Merdian

Yeah. Great question, Alex. This is Charles. So, we averaged astir 110 ground points for nan 4th quarter. So, our liking costs incurred conscionable pinch liking rates going up person elevated. However, having said that, you know, they're getting capitalized against a number of communities nether development. So, I think, complete time, that will tick-up slightly, but it's going to take, you know, a mates of years arsenic those projects are developed and brought online to activity their measurement done nan income statement. So, I deliberation we'll spot it. The guidance implies that it'll beryllium somewhat up from wherever we're astatine today, but it will travel successful complete a agelong play of clip arsenic those tons travel done nan income statement.

Alex Barron

Okay. That makes sense. Very helpful. I besides wanted to inquire astir your build time. You know, to what grade that's, benignant of travel backmost to normal. If I recall, I deliberation pre-pandemic, you guys were building houses successful thing for illustration 63 days aliases immoderate number for illustration that. So, I'm conscionable funny to what extent, you know, your build clip has gone backmost to normal because I conjecture that evidently makes nan – immoderate your backlog is little applicable because you guys are capable to benignant of spell from bid to closing beautiful quickly. So, I was funny if you could thief america retired connected that. And also, I'm not judge if you gave nan starts number for nan 4th aliases if I missed it.

Charles Merdian

Yeah. This is Charles again, I think, you know, we saw our build times, you know, nationwide summation by 30 days past year. I would opportunity that, you know, nan shorter build times that you mentioned, you know, 60 days aliases so, there's a fewer markets wherever we tin execute that. But it really depends connected nan area of nan country.

It's a beautiful wide range. We're besides – our Terrata merchandise will return a small spot longer build clip than nan accepted LGI merchandise arsenic well, but I would say, you know, build times are coming successful slightly. I would not opportunity needfully dramatically, but nan measurement we're handling that is conscionable managing starts successful a measurement truthful that we tin task our deliveries of our completed houses that whitethorn conscionable beryllium a small spot further out.

So, whether it's putting much permits successful nan queue to beryllium fresh to start, and past we tin set very quickly. So, that is 1 point that we've done historically very well, is beryllium capable to set to conditions successful a beautiful speedy clip frame. And past 4th fourth starts were astir 650 – [so 646] [ph] starts for nan quarter.

Alex Barron

Okay. So, what's nan full number of homes nether building then, whether they're sold aliases not sold?

Charles Merdian

Yeah. So, we had conscionable – 3,300 total, which includes our accusation centers. So, we had astir 1,900 completed houses to extremity nan 4th and astir 1,300 successful work-in progress.

Alex Barron

Okay. Very helpful. Best of luck, guys. Thank you.

Charles Merdian

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. Please standby for our adjacent question. We person a follow-up from nan statement of Truman Patterson pinch Wolfe Research. Your statement is open.

Truman Patterson

Hey, guys. Just wanted to travel up connected Alex's mobility regarding liking expense. Is location immoderate way, you know, fixed nan activity successful short-term rates, is location an yearly dollar magnitude that's really getting capitalized aliases incurred successful 2023 you could thief america retired with? And past could you, you know, conscionable talk superior allocation priorities successful 2023 between, you know, stock buyback, indebtedness reduction, reinvesting successful nan company?

Charles Merdian

Yeah, sure, Truman. So, I don't person an yearly estimate successful beforehand of me. But, you know, it's going to alteration since we negociate nan business done nan revolving in installments facility. So, it's really going to beryllium limited connected really overmuch we person outstanding astatine immoderate 1 constituent successful time. We're moving astir conscionable a small spot northbound of 6% correct now connected nan revolving in installments facility. And past we person nan precocious output notes astatine 4%. And so, you know, that'll – if you presume successful your equilibrium expanse model, benignant of a akin level of debt, past you can, benignant of backmost into that way. And past tin you repetition nan 2nd portion of nan question?

Truman Patterson

Just superior allocation priorities.

Charles Merdian

Yeah. So, awesome question. So, you know, akin to what we've talked astir successful nan past, we evidently mentioned successful our scripted comments that we're focused connected bringing connected our caller communities. We mentioned, you know, our organization count guidance for this year, but past we besides mentioned we expect organization count to summation successful 2024 by 20% to 30% arsenic well.

So, I deliberation nan superior attraction is moving done our tons that are presently nether development. About a 3rd of our tons that are not already allocated to vanished aliases to houses are presently nether development. So, that's nan main priority. We also, arsenic Eric mentioned, want to make judge that we've sewage immoderate barren powder fresh to spell to return advantage of vanished batch opportunities, and we're starting to spot that arsenic well.

So, those opportunities are apt to beryllium astir beneficial successful places wherever improvement timeline is taking a small spot longer or, successful immoderate cases, wherever we're gapping retired successful our submarket. So, you know, ideally, nan champion opportunities are those that we tin usage those to capable in. If our adjacent organization isn't coming for a small spot further out, we tin return advantage of that vanished statement opportunity to backfill, not dissimilar what we utilized to do respective years ago.

And then, you know, we person stock repurchases arsenic a consideration. I deliberation our stance correct now is that that is much opportunistic arsenic we proceed to benignant of attraction connected liquidity and wherever we're presently allocating dollars to onshore improvement and acquisitions. But certainly, opportunistic from that standpoint and maintaining our debt-to-capital ratio successful nan wide area of 40% wherever we landed for nan extremity of nan year.

Truman Patterson

Okay. Thank you. And past you each person reduced pricing [guesstimation] [ph] of, you know, 10% to 15% from highest levels. And I ideate with, you know, immoderate owe complaint paydowns, you each mightiness beryllium capable to trim a monthly owe costs by, I don't know, 20% aliases greater, right, from highest levels.

So, I'm hoping to understand crossed your either a circumstantial metro aliases just, benignant of nationwide, could you talk nan owe costs for 1 of your homes versus, you know, an balanced rent payment? Because clearly, you know, rents person been a small spot stickier, possibly a small spot of softening, but not to nan aforesaid degree.

Eric Lipar

Yeah. Truman, this is Eric. I mean, it varies, you know, by community, obviously, wherever nan income value is, and nan magnitude of incentives is organization by organization arsenic well, but mostly speaking, if we prime a modular organization entry-level crossed nan country, 1 of nan metrics we've been utilizing is for a monthly costs that personification has to suffice pinch their taxes and security and everything each in, benignant of pre-pandemic, that number is astir $1,800 a month, and you request to make astir 5,400 a period to suffice for that mortgage, astir 3x nan payment.

At nan peak, which should beryllium astir Q4, this past quarter, that number pinch prices still elevated and liking rates getting to seven, that sewage up to astir $2,800 a month, which meant you had to make $8,400 a month. So, 5,400 to 8,400 is simply a large dollar amount. Interest rates spiked backmost up past week, but generally, successful nan 6.5 scope wherever we've, benignant of been averaging 6.25 to 6.50 complete nan first 8 weeks of nan year. We return astir 2,400 a period apples to apples. So, that's champion better.

And, you know, that $400 a period alteration done mortgages and pricing up its peak, we judge it has made a quality successful our business. That is surely higher than astir group tin rent a azygous family for aliases an apartment, but that's ever been nan case, but that dispersed is astir apt much elevated. We've sewage immoderate of nan nationalist worldly that you person entree to, but it's much elevated than normal, nan quality betwixt renting and ownership.

Truman Patterson

Okay. Got you. Thank you.

Eric Lipar

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I'm not showing immoderate further questions. I would now for illustration to move nan telephone backmost complete to Eric Lipar for closing remarks.

Eric Lipar

Thank you, everyone, for participating connected nan telephone and for your liking successful LGI Homes. We look guardant to sharing our achievements passim nan year. Have a awesome day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, convey you for your participating successful today's conference. You whitethorn now disconnect.

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